2009 Wade was better than Kobe ever was

[Le Shaqtus]

[PJR]

Agreed. Unless you're a sucker for volume binge scoring, and think that's all there is to the game(there seems to be a few of those on here).

But, if you want a guy who was literally giving you the entire package from the 2 guard position?

I mean....Look what Wade was doing post-all star break for a month



Averages during that stretch:

37.2 ppg
5.9 rpg
10.4 apg
2.9 spg
1.4 bpg
.553 fg%
.419 3pt%
.865 ft%
41.85 eff

Video game type shit, B.

[tpols]

You don't have to be a suckered for binge scoring to appreciate stretches of 50-60 pt games, beating teams literally all by yourself.. Literally. Could've scored 80+ MULTIPLE times if not for sitting out quarters due to blowing teams out.. It's just unheard of and that offensive peak was never reached by Wade. He couldn't explode offensively like Kobe could. More consistent heavy production but at their best Kobe reached another gear. FACT.


For all wades extra assists his team finished 20th in offensive rating... Kobe's finished 7th and 8th. Also more regular season wins.. Better in the playoffs.. Both played on shit teams, Kobe in the far tougher conference still with more success.

Kobe was more dominant to anyone who saw 06 and 09. This is nothing but revisionist history

[funnystuff]

And you wonder why nobody takes you seriously.

I get it, you started watching basketball in 2011, you don't remember Kobe dominating the WCF on 32 7 & 6, you don't remember that going into the 2001 WCF Kobe was averaging more points than Shaq, had out scored Shaq in total points while playing less minutes.

You don't remember WCF game 7 with 30 10 & 7, you hear "48 & 16" and think Lebron was the first person to do it, 45 & 10 against the Spurs against prime Duncan.. The list goes on and on.

I think its cute where you can only list 1 series where Kobe plays well out of 12 in the stretch. Anyone outside of California and/or Kobe's butthole understands that Shaq carried the fck out of Kobe. But i assume youre one of the ones in Kobe's anus.

[TonyMontana]

Agreed. Unless you're a sucker for volume binge scoring, and think that's all there is to the game(there seems to be a few of those on here).

But, if you want a guy who was literally giving you the entire package from the 2 guard position?

I mean....Look what Wade was doing post-all star break for a month



Averages during that stretch:

37.2 ppg
5.9 rpg
10.4 apg
2.9 spg
1.4 bpg
.553 fg%
.419 3pt%
.865 ft%
41.85 eff

Video game type shit, B.

ethered.

Look at the efficiency and the APG in particular during that stretch. Those are numbers Kobe couldn't even dream of.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Could've scored 80+ MULTIPLE times if not for sitting out quarters due to blowing teams out

It's alarming that you don't consider that excessive as a selfish teammate. Like in any of those games, including the 81 point game when the game was decided well before hand, that he couldn't start passing to open teammates once the defense was locked in on him.

And no ... the only time he had a legit shot at 80 or 80+ was the 62 in 3 quarters game v.s. Dallas. Dude was getting a TON of soft touch foul calls to get to the line that game.

No other game in 2006 or 2007 would've saw him get to 80. The circumstances have to be just right, and the player just stubborn and relentlessly selfish enough to do it. While also being blistering hot from the field.

Maybe the 54 point in 3 quarter game v.s. Utah in 2007. But he would've had to dropped a consecutive 30+ point quarter in the 4th, as he just did it in that 3rd quarter. And I don't see that happening realistically.

How come there wasn't more of these explosions in the 2006 playoffs, or the 2007 playoffs? Especially in '06 and '07 when his team needed it. I expected multiple game 6, 50 point performances that year. And Lamar Odom was arguably LA's best player through the first 4 or 5 games of the series. Kobe playing fascilitator and decoy role, shooting much worse against them than he had in the regular season.

Kobe was more dominant to anyone who saw 06 and 09. This is nothing but revisionist history

This isn't true, either. Kobe was a monster on offense in terms of volume scoring, as he gave it all his energy and focus. Clearly.

Wade put up 5 ppg less, on better shooting percentage, and across the board had better numbers. Particularly in distribution, where he put up 7 - 8 dimes a game. And also of major significance played much better defense than Kobe did in 2006.

Wade's next best player wasn't near Lamar Odom caliber, either. Who was it, rookie Michael Beasley and Mario Chalmers?

Your Kobe stanning has you blinded. Kobe was impressive that year. It's less impressive in retrospect given the way the rules changed and so many perimeter stars saw a MASSIVE spike in PPG output.

The show goes on, Kobe fans insecure massively underrate Wade ... and Wade stans overrate Wade to overcompensate for lack of respect.

Peak for Peak, they're actually equal. Wade at his best, possibly better. But Kobe takes the nod overall due to durability, and longevity. More elite comparable peak seasons.

[Young X]

^Good post.

[tpols]

It's alarming that you don't consider that excessive as a selfish teammate. Like in any of those games, including the 81 point game when the game was decided well before hand, that he couldn't start passing to open teammates once the defense was locked in on him.

Because sam mitchell insisted on single coverage because he didnt believe he could keep it up.. and his strategy was to isolate Kobe from his teammates and win once he ran out of energy..

which he never did because his scoring was heavily based on long and midrange jumpers which dont fatigue you as much as slashing. Rule changes had little effect on that game. He caught an extreme shooting heat wave and rode it. No 100 FTs in sight..

And no ... the only time he had a legit shot at 80 or 80+ was the 62 in 3 quarters game v.s. Dallas. Dude was getting a TON of soft touch foul calls to get to the line that game.

And I said multiple times. Last I checked anything more than one counts as multiple.

How come there wasn't more of these explosions in the 2006 playoffs, or the 2007 playoffs? Especially in '06 and '07 when his team needed it. I expected multiple game 6, 50 point performances that year. And Lamar Odom was arguably LA's best player through the first 4 or 5 games of the series. Kobe playing fascilitator and decoy role, shooting much worse against them than he had in the regular season.

For the very reason you criticized Kobe for before.. in the playoffs, where teams can gameplan for you and focus harder on defending matchups, it is more conducive to winning if you play as a team. Which Kobe did.

And he did drop 50 in the playoffs.. and land a gamewinner.. and was more impressive against the superior suns ball club than Wade was against an inferior hawks team.

Wade put up 5 ppg less, on better shooting percentage, and across the board had better numbers. Particularly in distribution, where he put up 7 - 8 dimes a game. And also of major significance played much better defense than Kobe did in 2006.

Wade shot 57TS in 09. Kobe shot 56 and 58TS in 06 and 07 respectively. Same efficiency, heavier volume. Better, more notable peak performances. More clutch takeovers and gamewinners. He was an overall more dominant offensive machine. Not by a lot.. but it was noticeable.

Your Kobe stanning has you blinded. Kobe was impressive that year. It's less impressive in retrospect given the way the rules changed and so many perimeter stars saw a MASSIVE spike in PPG output.

Not at all.. Kobe attempted 27 shots per game in 2006 and had 10 FTs per game. In other years like 03 when he shot the most shots in the shaq era he took 8.9 FTs on 23.5 shots. In 01 he took 8 on 22. In 04 he took 8 on 18.

His FTs rised proportionally with his shots before and after the rule changes.. Kobe was a midrange and long range shooter first and foremost. Hed attack second, shoot first.

And how ironic that in a comparison about Wade you bring up rule changes and FTs.. guy who saw the most free throws ever for a playoffs series besides shaq when they were hack-a-shaqing him all day and jerry west when they ran up and down the court a million times more per game.

[Electric Slide]

Kobe was never been able to play elite defense in his prime/peak. He was always one-way player. The only time he ever played great D was with Shaq and even then he was pretty overrated at it.

Wade was 3rd in DPOY in 2009 and at his best defensively when he was actually on his own. We all know how dominant he was offensively and how efficient he was.

Believe it or not, Kobe's offense actually hurts his defense because he misses so many shots that he allows fast break opportunities for opposing teams. This is where FG%/eFG% comes in to play.

[Lebron23]

One of the best Non MVP Season in NBA History. That's Why Wade is a top 20 player of all time. He should have been in the all NBA defensive team. He averaged 2.5 spg, ans 1.3 bpg.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

One of the best Non MVP Season in NBA History. That's Why Wade is a top 20 player of all time. He should have been in the all NBA defensive team. He averaged 2.5 spg, ans 1.3 bpg.

Why do you talk like a robot?

[lakerspng]

can there please be an age requirement to post?

you cannot have watched the two players careers and come close to that opinion.

just ridiculous.

[The Choken One]

Ah, haven't been on this site in awhile and the first thing I see is some brain dead dipshit saying Wade is better than Kobe.

The trolls never sleep here, huh?

[funnystuff]

can there please be an age requirement to post?

you cannot have watched the two players careers and come close to that opinion.

just ridiculous.

You say that, when Wades 2006 finals performance was 10x better than any finals Kobe has participated in.


You sound like you're 12, yet you request an age requirement to post?

[MetsPackers]

Take note that the ONLY people defending Kobe in this thread are known Laker fans/Kobe stans. Nobody is saying Wade is better than Kobe you clowns, just that peak Wade would be more valuable to a team. Also note that not one Heat fan has posted in this thread either Ignorance is bliss I suppose