Accoding to simple basketball minds, PG's dont deserve MVP.

[nathanjizzle]

why are there no PGs in top 10 GOATs?

size discrimination.

[kennethgriffin]

papovich and phil jackson are hall of fame coaches, thats 3 hall of famers for kobe shaq, tim duncan michael jordon.

A) if you could count... adding 1 to 1 = 2 for them.. unless you're counting themselves as a HOF teammate

B) every PG i listed ( parker, billups, thomas, magic, cousy ) all also had legendary coaches

so even if you added 1 for kobe,shaq,duncan,jordan... 1 gets added to the PG's aswell and they still have a major advantage in help

C) coaches arent teammates


you lose again

[kennethgriffin]

What year was this?

really?

2000 - assist leader, all defensive 1st team
2001 - assist leader, all defensive 2nd team
2002 - assist leader, all defensive 1st team
2009 - assist leader, all defensive 1st team
2010 - assist leader, all defensive 1st team



bolded being top scorer

[kennethgriffin]

nobody under the height of 6-5 is a top 25 player all time


1. Michael Jordan

2. Bill Russell

3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

4. Earvin Magic Johnson

5. Kobe Bryant

6. Wilt Chamberlain

7. Tim Duncan

8. Larry Bird

9. Shaquille O'Neal

10. Hakeem Olajuwon

11. Lebron James

12. Oscar Robertson

13. Moses Malone

14. Jerry West

15. Julius Erving

16. George Mikan

17. Bob Pettit

18. Karl Malone

19. Kevin Garnett

20. Elgin Baylor

21. John Havlicek

22. Dirk Nowitzki

23. Charles Barkley

24. David Robinson

25. Scottie Pippen





sorry... traditional PG's ( 6-4 and under ) are not deserving of MVP's

[24-Inch_Chrome]

why are there no PGs in top 10 GOATs?

Magic? Oscar is 10-15ish too.

[kennethgriffin]

Magic? Oscar is 10-15ish too.

theyre not traditional point guards


oscar especially for playing in the 60's... 6-5 even in todays league is a shooting guard.. back then it was like playing small forward and rarely sometimes power forward


which is why guys like elgin baylor could grab nearly 20 rebounds per game.. oscar over 10rpg

[Budadiiii]

Magic? Oscar is 10-15ish too.

Magic was almost 7 feet tall and very efficient.

Kinda proves the point that most PG's have limited impact. Big mans game.

[kennethgriffin]

Magic was almost 7 feet tall and very efficient.

Kinda proves the point that most PG's have limited impact. Big mans game.

which makes jordan/kobe that much more impressive for being shooting guards in the top 5-6 all time. jordan arguable goat

[24-Inch_Chrome]

which makes jordan/kobe that much more impressive for being shooting guards in the top 5-6 all time. jordan arguable goat

Jordan is top-2, GOAT in the eyes of many. Kobe is borderline top-10 if that.

Get your goofy Kobe agenda out of here.

[ralph_i_el]

really?

2000 - assist leader, all defensive 1st team
2001 - assist leader, all defensive 2nd team
2002 - assist leader, all defensive 1st team
2009 - assist leader, all defensive 1st team
2010 - assist leader, all defensive 1st team



bolded being top scorer

Lol in 09 and 10 he was second on the team in WS, and his defensive 1st team wins were a joke because most of the time he didn't even guard his opponents best perimeter player

and the first 3 times he obviously wasn't the #1 scorer....because he played with the superior Shaq.

[kennethgriffin]

Jordan is top-2, GOAT in the eyes of many. Kobe is borderline top-10 if that.

Get your goofy Kobe agenda out of here.

even if you were correct in assuming kobe was "barely top 10"


you'd still have to give it up and should quite honestly virtually suck the mans **** for overcoming "a big mans game" to reach that high of a spot all time


laughing at a 6-5 SG for being top 10 when its littered with guys 6-10 and up is somewhat






"hating" ..... you jelly?



btw... the world sees kobe closer to top 5 than "barely top 10" btw

so best case scenario ... its unfathomable for a 6-5 SG to reach that high...
and worst case scenario... its unfathomable for a 6-5 SG to reach that high...

either way its a compliment

[kennethgriffin]

Lol in 09 and 10 he was second on the team in WS, and his defensive 1st team wins were a joke because most of the time he didn't even guard his opponents best perimeter player

and the first 3 times he obviously wasn't the #1 scorer....because he played with the superior Shaq.

you've officially entered the "flustered zone"


broke this f*ggot in half with logic and facts

[ralph_i_el]

you've officially entered the "flustered zone"


broke this f*ggot in half with logic and facts

except you "logic and facts" proved yourself wrong....

you said he was the #1 scorer, play maker, and defender on his championship teams. 3 times he wasn't the #1 scorer. One of those times he had Ron Artest taking the toughest assignments. So maybe you're arguably right for ONE out of five of his championships.

and Kobe's all-defense nods are widely regarded as a joke. You know the Lakers hid him from tough defensive assignments for YEARS.

[kennethgriffin]

except you "logic and facts" proved yourself wrong....

you said he was the #1 scorer, play maker, and defender on his championship teams. 3 times he wasn't the #1 scorer. One of those times he had Ron Artest taking the toughest assignments. So maybe you're arguably right for ONE out of five of his championships.

and Kobe's all-defense nods are widely regarded as a joke. You know the Lakers hid him from tough defensive assignments for YEARS.

i wasnt refering to all 5 jackass




kobe was

a) THE #1 scorer on the 2009, 2010 lakers

B) THE #1 assist leader on the 2009, 2010 lakers

c) THE #1 defensive player on the 2009,2010 lakers


your argument is


a) points dont matter.
b) assists dont matter.
c) all defensive 1st teams dont matter.



you sire.... are a hating jealous r*tard

good day sir ... or madam

[24-Inch_Chrome]

even if you were correct in assuming kobe was "barely top 10"


you'd still have to give it up and should quite honestly virtually suck the mans **** for overcoming "a big mans game" to reach that high of a spot all time


laughing at a 6-5 SG for being top 10 when its littered with guys 6-10 and up is somewhat






"hating" ..... you jelly?



btw... the world sees kobe closer to top 5 than "barely top 10" btw

so best case scenario ... its unfathomable for a 6-5 SG to reach that high...
and worst case scenario... its unfathomable for a 6-5 SG to reach that high...

either way its a compliment

He's top-10 to top-15, there's a big difference between Jordan being #1 at 6'6" and Kobe slotting in at 10-15 at 6'5". Jerry West is in that same general ranking area at 6'2". Oscar is there at 6'5". Much less exclusive as far as height than the top-10.

Anyway, this topic was about PGs and the MVP award. Your retarded Kobe agenda turned it into a chance to blow your idol publicly.