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Old 07-16-2006, 12:44 AM   #31
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i forgot about that... true, Biggie's verse on Notorious Thugs is the single greatest verse in hip hop history IMO


thats was the most surprising verse ever just the way he change his flow was amazing!
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Old 07-16-2006, 12:44 AM   #32
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Nature Of The Threat is not the greatest song, it's a great song nonethless though. Y'all should check it out, if you haven't.

Let freedom ring with a buckshot, but not just yet
First we need to truly understand the nature of the threat
And a pale man walks in the threshold of darkness
Roughly 20,000 years ago the first humans evolved
with the phenotypical trait, genetic recessive
Blue eyes, blonde hair and white skin
Albinism apparently was a sin to the original man, Africans
So the mutants traveled North of the equator
Called Europeans later, the first race haters
So here's the Devil's alpha to the beta
Cause history's best qualified to teach one
Quoting German philosopher Schopenhauer
"Every white man is a faded or a bleached one"
Migration created further mutation
Genetic drifts, evolution through recombination
Adaptation to the climate
As the Caucus Mountain man reverted to that of a primate
Savage Neanderthals, until the late Paleolithic age
That's when the Black Grimaldi man came
With the symbol of the dragon, fire and art
Check cave paintings in France and Spain to the Venus of Willendorf
Around 2000 B.C. Southern Russians migrate in small units
Those who travel West populated Europe
Those who went East settled in Iran, known as Aryans
1500 B.C. some crossed the Khyber Pass into India and
created Hinduism, the first caste system, the origins of racism
A white dot on the forehead meant elite
The black dot - defeat; untrustable, untouchables
They wrote the holy Vedas in Sanskrit
That's the language that created Greek, German, Latin and English
Now the Minoans around 2000 B.C.
Starts on the island of Crete, in the Agean Sea
The Greek culture begins Western Civilization
But "Western Civilization" means "White Domination"
Myceneans learned from Kemet, called Egypt in Greek
It existed since at least 3000 B.C.
Creatin geometry and astronomy
This knowledge influenced Plato, Socrates and Hippocrates
Cause Imhotep, the real real father of medicine
Was worshiped in Greece and Rome in the form of a Black African
The word Africa comes from the Greek "Aphrike"
meaning "without cold"; the word philosophy means "love of knowledge"
Stole from first man, Greek power expands
The first Greek fraternities band
The word gymnasium is Greek for "naked"
This was the place where adolescent boys were educated, and molested
This was accepted because Greek culture was homosexual
For example, Sappho trained girls on the island of Lesbos
Hence, the word lesbian (Ay let these dumb mother****ers know)
December 25th, the birth of Saturn
A homosexual god, now check the historical pattern
December 25, now thought the birth of Christ
Was Saturnalia, when men got drunk,
****ed each other then beat their wife
Fact is, it was still practiced, til they called it Christmas
So put a gerbil on your Christmas list
The Hellenistic Era, Alexander the Great
Conquers all the way to India leavin four successor states
By the Fifth century B.C., R.O.M.E.
succeeds to be the conqueror of Egypt and Greece
But had the threat of the Black Phoenicians in Sicily
The Punic Wars began 264 B.C.
The Black general Hannibal and Carthaginian Peace
In 146 B.C. Carthage fell after a six-month siege
Rome sold every citizen to slavery
The first genocide of history
And more bisexuality in sight; Julius Caesar was known as
"every woman's husband and every man's wife" (BEOTCH!)
Spartacus Revolt, a slave rebellion that lost
Where 6,000 slaves was nailed on a cross
Cross? Aw, ****! Jesus Christ! Time for some-act-right
Christians get your facts right
Cause Christ was not his name
That's Greek for "One who is anointed"
Yoshua Ben Yosef was his name, do Christians know this?
So who do you praise, do you know his name?
Or do you do this in vain?
Accepting the religion they gave slaves to behave
Peep the description of historian Josephus
"Short, dark, with an underdeveloped beard was Jesus"
He had the Romans fearing revolution
The solution was to take him to court and falsely accuse him
After being murdered by Pilate how can it be
these same white Romans established Christianity
Constantine would later see the cross in a dream
In his vision, it read "En Hawk Signo Wonka":
"In this sign we conquer" - Manifest Destiny
In 325 he convened the Nicean Creed
And separated god into three
Decided Jesus was born on December 25th
and raised then on the third day is a myth
Plus to deceive us
Commissioned Michelangelo to paint white pictures of Jesus
He used his aunt, uncle, and nephew
Subconsciously that affects you
It makes you put white people closer to God
(Yo, 'The Man' got game like a mother****er!)
True indeed, **** it, Jihad
In the eight century Muslims conquered
Spain, Portugal and France and controlled it for 700 years
They never mention this in history class
cause o'fays are threatened when you get the real lesson
Moors from Baghdad, Turkey threatened European Christians
Meaning, the white way of life; hence the Crusades for Christ
On November 25th, 1491
Santiago defeats the last Muslim stronghold, Grenada
King Ferdinand gave thanks to God for victory
And the Pope of Rome and declared this date to forever be
A day of "Thanksgiving" for all European Christians

.. Now listen, when you celebrate "Thanksgiving"
What you are actually celebratin
is the proclamation of the Pope of Rome
Who later, in league with Queen Isabella
sent Cardinal Ximenos to Spain
to murder any blacks that resisted Christianity
These Moors, these black men and women
were from Baghdad, Turkey
And today, you eat the turkey, for your "Thanksgiving" day
as the European Powers destroyed the Turkeys
Who were the forefathers of your mothers and fathers
Now fight the power, you *****-ass ******!

Now around this time, Whites started callings us Negroes
That's Spanish for black object meaning we're not really people
but property, and the triangle trade begins - they seize us
Queen Elizabeth sends the first slaves on a ship named Jesus
Stealin land from the indigenous natives
Gave them alcohol to keep the Red Man intoxicated
Whites claim they had to civilize these pagan animals
But up until 1848 there's documented cases
of whites bein the savage cannibals, eatin Indians
In 1992, it's Jeffery Dahmer
They slaughtered a whole race with guns
Drugs, priests and nuns
1763, the first demonic tactic of biological warfare
As tokens of peace, Sir Jeffery Amherst
passed out clothin and blankets to the Indian community
Infested with small pox, knowin they had no immunity
Today it's AIDS, you best believe it's man made
Cause ain't a damn thing changed.. let me explain
Now since people of color are genetically dominant
and Caucasoids are genetically recessive
and Whites expect to be predominant, meaning survive as a race then
they simply must, take precautions
That's why they're worried about their future now
Cuz by 2050, almost all the Earth's population
will be brown, then black, so understandin that, whites counterreact
(I'm sayin.. man.. them fools
ain't nothin but a teaspoon of milk in the world color majority)
So they created a system
to force blacks into an unnatural position
That re-enforces the position of natural inferiority
In addition, created guns and developed the ethnocentric view
that God justifies every ****in thing they do
Condition people to perceive whites' culture as civilized
and every other culture considered primitive - not true!
Racism is the system of racial subjugation against nonwhites
in every areas of human relation
Entertainment, education, labor, politics
Law, religion, sex, war and economics
See blacks were 3/5ths of a man with tax purposes intended
You think you're Afro-American?
You're a 14th amendment and a good *****
Jews don't salute the ****in swastika
but ****** pledge allegiance to the flag that accosted ya
They never teach about the break of islands like Jamaica
But before slaves came here whites would take a
pregnant women, hang her from a tree by her toes
Slice her stomach with a knife
and let the unborn baby fall to the flo'
And stop an unborn child in front of all the slaves
to inbreed fear, so they'd be scared and behave
and not rebel more
Understand all whites must be perceived as potential predators
I paraphrase historian Ishakamusa Barashango
"Understand that regardless of the lofty ideas ingraved on paper
in such documents as the Constitution or Declaration
the basic nature.. of the European American white man
remains virtually unchanged".. so check
This is the nature of the threat


Reading the lyrics will not give you the full effect of the song. I couldn't find it to post it, but its pretty ill. I don't agree with everything he says but the skill it took to write and spit I feel is unmatched.

It may not be the greatest song in your opinion, but like any G.O.A.T lists its all subjective
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Old 07-16-2006, 12:53 AM   #33
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T.R.O.Y- Pete Rock
Dear Mama- Tupac
Set If Off- Big Daddy Kane
Forest Whitaker- Brother Ali
Poet Laureate 2- Canibus
I Used To Love Her- Common
Beautiful Mind- Cormega
The Watcher 2- Dre, Jay Z & Rakim
Lose Yourself- Eminem
Dwyck- Gangstarr
Duel Of The Iron Mic- GZA Genius
Today Was A Good Day- Ice Cube
Dance With The Devil- Immortal Technique
Heavenly Divine- Jedi Mind Tricks
22 Two's- Jay Z
Diamonds Is Forever- Jay Z
Fast Life- Kool G Rap & Nas
Live at the BBQ- Main Source
Drop A Gem On Em- Mobb Deep
Shook One Part 2- Mobb Deep
Halftime- Nas
Long Kiss Goodnight- Notorious BIG
Juicy- Notorious BIG
Warning- Notorious BIG
Notorious Thugs- Notorious BIG & Bone Thugs
Ready To Die- Notorious BIG
BOB- Outkast
Passing Me By- Pharcyde
Guillotine Swords- Raekwon
Casualties Of War- Rakim
Follow The Leader- Rakim
Lyrics Of Fury- Rakim
Children Story- Slick Rick
93' Til Infinity- Souls Of Mischief
Thieves In The Night- Talic Kweli
Get By- Talib Kweli
Brenda's Got A Baby- Tupac
Changes- Tupac
Keep Your Head Up- Tupac
Hellrazor- Tupac
Letter To My Unborn Child- Tupac
Regulator- Warren G
Tearz- Wu Tang
Triumph- Wu Tang


I just scrolled through one of my Hip Hop lists, those are the songs I'll definitely consider some of the very best...
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Old 07-16-2006, 12:53 AM   #34
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personally that is probably my least favorite song of all-time

how can you possibly think that is a good song. its 8 minutes long of conspiracy theory, OBVIOUS made up ****, and ABSOLUTELY racist towards white people for no reason... its not even a song, it doesnt have a rhyme scheme or verses or a chorus or bars or set number of lines, its a rambling of nonsense in the form of prose, pretty much. its Ras Kass thinking he knows everything about the history of the world, and nobody else does. He refers to crazy things he makes up, and then says it like, "i bet you didnt know that".. no Ras, you are a crazy delusional racist mother****er who needs to shut the **** up...

sorry, thats what i think. Everyone should give it a listen though, since it is a crazy song... here it is uploaded:

http://rapidshare.de/files/25963253/...hreat.mp3.html


anyway my top 3 favorite songs EVER are:

1. Nas - The World is Yours
2. Pete Rock and CL Smooth - They Reminisce Over You (T.R.O.Y)
3. Wu-Tang - C.R.E.A.M.


Who says a song has to follow your described format...music is art and does not have to follow these rules.

But like I said, I don't agree with everything he says, in the same way I don't agree will selling drugs and shooting people like other so-called great songs mentioned have in them. Purely for the artistry I think it is a great song.

BTW, no need to apologize to me for your opinion. I won't apologize for mine. Everyone feels a certain way about everything. I respect yours and everyone's opinion...its all good
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Old 07-16-2006, 12:53 AM   #35
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try listening to 'Gin and Juice' and not smiling...impossible
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Old 07-16-2006, 12:55 AM   #36
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T.R.O.Y- Pete Rock
Dear Mama- Tupac
Set If Off- Big Daddy Kane
Forest Whitaker- Brother Ali
Poet Laureate 2- Canibus
I Used To Love Her- Common
Beautiful Mind- Cormega
The Watcher 2- Dre, Jay Z & Rakim
Lose Yourself- Eminem
Dwyck- Gangstarr
Duel Of The Iron Mic- GZA Genius
Today Was A Good Day- Ice Cube
Dance With The Devil- Immortal Technique
Heavenly Divine- Jedi Mind Tricks
22 Two's- Jay Z
Diamonds Is Forever- Jay Z
Fast Life- Kool G Rap & Nas
Live at the BBQ- Main Source
Drop A Gem On Em- Mobb Deep
Shook One Part 2- Mobb Deep
Halftime- Nas
Long Kiss Goodnight- Notorious BIG
Juicy- Notorious BIG
Warning- Notorious BIG
Notorious Thugs- Notorious BIG & Bone Thugs
Ready To Die- Notorious BIG
BOB- Outkast
Passing Me By- Pharcyde
Guillotine Swords- Raekwon
Casualties Of War- Rakim
Follow The Leader- Rakim
Lyrics Of Fury- Rakim
Children Story- Slick Rick
93' Til Infinity- Souls Of Mischief
Thieves In The Night- Talic Kweli
Get By- Talib Kweli
Brenda's Got A Baby- Tupac
Changes- Tupac
Keep Your Head Up- Tupac
Hellrazor- Tupac
Letter To My Unborn Child- Tupac
Regulator- Warren G
Tearz- Wu Tang
Triumph- Wu Tang


I just scrolled through one of my Hip Hop lists, those are the songs I'll definitely consider some of the very best...

Very good list.
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Old 07-16-2006, 12:56 AM   #37
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T.R.O.Y- Pete Rock
Dear Mama- Tupac
Set If Off- Big Daddy Kane
Forest Whitaker- Brother Ali
Poet Laureate 2- Canibus
I Used To Love Her- Common
Beautiful Mind- Cormega
The Watcher 2- Dre, Jay Z & Rakim
Lose Yourself- Eminem
Dwyck- Gangstarr
Duel Of The Iron Mic- GZA Genius
Today Was A Good Day- Ice Cube
Dance With The Devil- Immortal Technique
Heavenly Divine- Jedi Mind Tricks
22 Two's- Jay Z
Diamonds Is Forever- Jay Z
Fast Life- Kool G Rap & Nas
Live at the BBQ- Main Source
Drop A Gem On Em- Mobb Deep
Shook One Part 2- Mobb Deep
Halftime- Nas
Long Kiss Goodnight- Notorious BIG
Juicy- Notorious BIG
Warning- Notorious BIG
Notorious Thugs- Notorious BIG & Bone Thugs
Ready To Die- Notorious BIG
BOB- Outkast
Passing Me By- Pharcyde
Guillotine Swords- Raekwon
Casualties Of War- Rakim
Follow The Leader- Rakim
Lyrics Of Fury- Rakim
Children Story- Slick Rick
93' Til Infinity- Souls Of Mischief
Thieves In The Night- Talic Kweli
Get By- Talib Kweli
Brenda's Got A Baby- Tupac
Changes- Tupac
Keep Your Head Up- Tupac
Hellrazor- Tupac
Letter To My Unborn Child- Tupac
Regulator- Warren G
Tearz- Wu Tang
Triumph- Wu Tang


I just scrolled through one of my Hip Hop lists, those are the songs I'll definitely consider some of the very best...
You're still missing the greatest of all time, the best of 3 worlds, Mo' Money Mo' Problems, Puff Daddy, Mase & Notorious BIG.
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1. Nas - The World is Yours
2. Pete Rock and CL Smooth - They Reminisce Over You (T.R.O.Y)
3. Wu-Tang - C.R.E.A.M.

I can't believe I forgot that...
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You're still missing the greatest of all time, the best of 3 worlds, Mo' Money Mo' Problems, Puff Daddy, Mase & Notorious BIG.
Indeed, any GOAT rap list is void without the mention of the GOAT himself, Diddy.
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Indeed, any GOAT rap list is void without the mention of the GOAT himself, Diddy.
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no need to apologize to me for your opinion. I won't apologize for mine. Everyone feels a certain way about everything. I respect yours and everyone's opinion...its all good

true...

and yea, i recognize Ras Kass's skills as an emcee.. but its just that song that personally pisses me off, i just cant stand his arrogance and thinking he knows things that 99.9% of the world doesnt...

in fact im interested to see if any of the main points he makes and main facts he states in that song are real.. anyone really know? and have links or somethign??..
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T.R.O.Y- Pete Rock
Dear Mama- Tupac
Set If Off- Big Daddy Kane
Forest Whitaker- Brother Ali
Poet Laureate 2- Canibus
I Used To Love Her- Common
Beautiful Mind- Cormega
The Watcher 2- Dre, Jay Z & Rakim
Lose Yourself- Eminem
Dwyck- Gangstarr
Duel Of The Iron Mic- GZA Genius
Today Was A Good Day- Ice Cube
Dance With The Devil- Immortal Technique
Heavenly Divine- Jedi Mind Tricks
22 Two's- Jay Z
Diamonds Is Forever- Jay Z
Fast Life- Kool G Rap & Nas
Live at the BBQ- Main Source
Drop A Gem On Em- Mobb Deep
Shook One Part 2- Mobb Deep
Halftime- Nas
Long Kiss Goodnight- Notorious BIG
Juicy- Notorious BIG
Warning- Notorious BIG
Notorious Thugs- Notorious BIG & Bone Thugs
Ready To Die- Notorious BIG
BOB- Outkast
Passing Me By- Pharcyde
Guillotine Swords- Raekwon
Casualties Of War- Rakim
Follow The Leader- Rakim
Lyrics Of Fury- Rakim
Children Story- Slick Rick
93' Til Infinity- Souls Of Mischief
Thieves In The Night- Talic Kweli
Get By- Talib Kweli
Brenda's Got A Baby- Tupac
Changes- Tupac
Keep Your Head Up- Tupac
Hellrazor- Tupac
Letter To My Unborn Child- Tupac
Regulator- Warren G
Tearz- Wu Tang
Triumph- Wu Tang

nice list...

a little too extensive though. all true hip hop fans know the greatest songs like these and could make list of 200 songs which are all on the level of things like those.. id like to see what your top 5 are.

o yea and this isnt a rap forum but there seem to be some pretty knowledgable people here... you go to rapworlds.com and every thread is about bull**** or g-unit and chamillionare
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true...

and yea, i recognize Ras Kass's skills as an emcee.. but its just that song that personally pisses me off, i just cant stand his arrogance and thinking he knows things that 99.9% of the world doesnt...

in fact im interested to see if any of the main points he makes and main facts he states in that song are real.. anyone really know? and have links or somethign??..


Honestly, some things in it upset me when I first heard it, but my point is that it took a lot of skill to write, relay his so-called facts and have it rhyme. I haven't seen that done by anyone else in the game. Most artists are afraid to tackle such topics
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id like to see what your top 5 are.


I can't....the only two songs I can definitely include in the top 5 are TROY by Pete Rock...and Brenda's Got A Baby by Tupac.

It's impossible for me, I can easily make a list of 200 songs that everyone on here will probably love...I can listen to TROY whenever, I never get tired of it. Same for Branda's Got A Baby...

When I'm in a pissed off mood, or in a car...nothing beats songs like Hit Em Up, HellRazor or Victory...to me it's all about my mood, when it comes to music.

I have favorites for when I'm happy, excited, hyper, sad, heart-broken etc...
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I can't.....

It's impossible for me

I have favorites for when I'm happy, excited, hyper, sad, heart-broken etc...

yea thats how it is for me pretty much also.. but i guess if i need to give a straight up answer like "favorite album" or "favorite song" i have narrowed those things down for the purposes of a discussion... i agree though, TROY is my 2nd favorite song ever, it should be up there for everyone
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