PEnes Kantcer the worst defender in the league?

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

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I always said the same and I still maintain it. You can't judge a players' defense off of stats. According to stats, Whiteside should be the DPOY, but Winslow has more impact than Whiteside on the defensive end. Same with Curry. All the defensive stats favor him. I'm not saying he's a bad defender, but he's average or above average at best.

Same goes for Dirk. Dude is one of the best offensive players ever. Top 20 offensive player in the history of the game. Doesn't mean that he's a good defender. Again, at his BEST, EVER, Dirk has been an above average defender. Right now, he's basically a traffic cone. Sad, but it's a fact.

Dirk is a top 10 offensive player ever and he was a good defender in his prime. Elite post defender, got back in transition and at 7ft contesting he blew up alot of easy transition buckets after going back after shooting a 3 (he basically killed Miamis transition game in 11 Finals and he was the best rebounder in the series which nikkas forget), one of the best defensive rebounders in playoff history, great at contesting/closing out to shooters, . His lateral quickness and perimeter D was always a problem but Dallas always had garbage perimeter defense in his prime before Matrix/Kidd that made his defense look worse than it actually was. Hes a mediocre defender (he was clearly worse last season and was bad last season on D) now but has occasional good games on D. Hes not nearly as bad as being bottom 5 like u say tho

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Clearly worse defenders than Dirk this season: Canter, Ion Wait, Wiggins, Monroe, Barea, Caleron, Haren, Lillar, Love, Kyrie, Bargnani, Jonas, Geral Green, Jason Terry, IT, Ben Macklemore, Boban, Knight, Kobe and most of Lakers players in general, Fournier, Felton, Eron Williams, Jennings, Tony, Rajon, Steph, Lee, Teague, Jameer, Lavine, Larkin etc

honestly Dirk is hardly worse than Wade if at all on defense this season. Wades been sht and only plays D the last couple minutes. Hes been blessed to being playing with top defenders in Bosh, Whiteside, Winslow, Deng etc

makes no sense how Mavs are a middling defense if Barea AND Dirk are two of the worst defenders there. DWill and Felton worse than Dirk on D too. Those 4 played a huge chunk of Mavs minutes this season................they should be a bottom defense. I hope u dont think Wes and Parsons have been an elite defender this season or that Zaza is a DPOY candidate :

Dirks been mediocre on D, not bad and certainly not bottom of the league bad.

[sd3035]

Harden and Lebron are clearly worse

[warriorfan]

aj seriously doesnt know shit about ball

[aj1987]

Dirk is a top 10 offensive player ever

and he was a good defender in his prime. Elite post defender

he basically killed Miamis transition game in 11 Finals and he was the best rebounder in the series which nikkas forget

You do know that the Mav's would've gotten swept if Wade made that 3, right?

one of the best defensive rebounders in playoff history

great at contesting/closing out to shooters,

Have you ever actually seen Dirk play? There's a reason as to why he never anchored an elite defensive team. FFS, Wade at 6'4" anchored the teams defense multiple times.

BTW, more often than not, Dirk lead teams were garbage ass defensive teams.

Hes a mediocre defender (he was clearly worse last season and was bad last season on D) now but has occasional good games on D. Hes not nearly as bad as being bottom 5 like u say tho

He's a terrible defender right now and even DMAVS will agree with me.

[warriorfan]

You do know that the Mav's would've gotten swept if Wade made that 3, right?







Have you ever actually seen Dirk play? There's a reason as to why he never anchored an elite defensive team. FFS, Wade at 6'4" anchored the teams defense multiple times.

BTW, more often than not, Dirk lead teams were garbage ass defensive teams.






He's a terrible defender right now and even DMAVS will agree with me.

like I said before Dirk isn't a defensive anchor type player, just because a player isn't a defensive anchor doesn't mean they are a poor defender

im gonna just ignore the fact that you are pulling your insane dwyane wade shit into this trying to derail because you are wrong as hell

get back on your meds bro you are fuccing losing it

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Name 10 better offensive players than Dirk. Hes one of the mismatch nightmares, GOAT midrange shooter, arguably GOAT overall shooter, elite playoff scorer, one of the GOAT clutch players, one of the lowest turnover rates ever for an alltime great, GOAT level offball game, stretches the floor at a GOAT level making role players look good on offense due to wide open lanes and open 3pt shots they get, GOAT level post scorer from 08-11

He anchored the best offense in the league AFTER Nash left in 06 with Josh Howard, Dampier, Adrian Griffin, Marquis Daniels, Diop getting major minutes. Only good offensive teammate he had was Jason Terry who was a decent player but hardly anything special.

I hope u dont think Wades a better offensive player b/c he averaged 30/7 or whatever. If u think Wades a better offensive player u dont know sht about basketball, focus outside the boxscore and watch the games

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Check Dirks stats when defending postups he was consistently top of the league dummy.

13 in DREB% alltime in playoffs right there with Duncan, ahead of guys like Robinson, Moses, Shaq, both Malones, Hakeem, Zo

you really have no clue what youre talking about when it comes to Dirks defense.

yeah Mavs wouldve gotten swept if the career 28% 3pt shooter made a last second three for near halfcourt with Dirk contesting it too bad Miami choked including Wade and gave up a 22-5 run to lose at home

you really are clueless

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Dirk led teams after Nash dipped

05 - top 10 defense
06 - 11th ranked defense
07- top 5 defense
08 - top 10 defense
09 - 17th ranked defense, but an outlier b/c Mavs had roster changes and multiple injuries this season
10 - 12th ranked defense
11 - top 10 defense
12 - top 10 defense

yeah Dirk led teams were mostly garbage @zz top 10 defenses and in the mid00s they had sht perimeter defenders too

[feyki]

Barea is the worst . But Enes is one of them.

[warriorfan]

Dirk led teams after Nash dipped

05 - top 10 defense
06 - 11th ranked defense
07- top 5 defense
08 - top 10 defense
09 - 17th ranked defense, but an outlier b/c Mavs had roster changes and multiple injuries this season
10 - 12th ranked defense
11 - top 10 defense
12 - top 10 defense

yeah Dirk led teams were mostly garbage @zz top 10 defenses and in the mid00s they had sht perimeter defenders too

u just made AJ go ghost with that last post...kid always rants about how D Wade is a defensive anchor when the Heat would always be mediocre defensively...and also that the Heat's defensive rating got inflated because Wade's heat would play at pretty much the slowest pace in the league

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Barea is the worst . But Enes is one of them.

Enes is worse and he plays a position where its far more detrimental to ur team if u have a sht defensive C compared to a sht defensive PG

[Lebronxrings]

harden,curry,love,irving,davis



kobe

[feyki]

Enes is worse and he plays a position where its far more detrimental to ur team if u have a sht defensive C compared to a sht defensive PG

Of course his role important than Barea's . But Enes is not bad man to man defender at least . And he has some physical capabilities on defensive side . Barea has totally ZERO defensive aspect .

Btw , your point is why Enes playing under 25 minutes . He should learn help defence and rim protection . But he younger , he can .

[aj1987]

like I said before Dirk isn't a defensive anchor type player, just because a player isn't a defensive anchor doesn't mean they are a poor defender

im gonna just ignore the fact that you are pulling your insane dwyane wade shit into this trying to derail because you are wrong as hell

get back on your meds bro you are fuccing losing it

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Name 10 better offensive players than Dirk.

1. MJ
2. KAJ
3. Shaq
4. Magic
5. Bird
6. LeBron
7. Kobe
8. Wilt
9. Dr. J
10. Malone
11. KD
12. West
13. Wade
14. Hakeem
15. Oscar

Hes one of the mismatch nightmares, GOAT midrange shooter, arguably GOAT overall shooter

one of the GOAT clutch players

You do know that he was considered to be a perennial choker before he lucked out in '11, right?

GOAT level offball game

Curry and Klay are better offball and they're in the league right now and on the same team.

stretches the floor at a GOAT level

Nope. Not even top 10. Heck, Wade, who can't shoot is top 10.


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5. Gordon Hayward, Utah Jazz | Respect rating: 84.0
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6. James Harden, Houston Rockets | Respect rating: 83.3
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7. J.R. Smith, New York Knicks | Respect rating: 83.0
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8. Jamal Crawford, Los Angeles Clippers | Respect rating: 81.6
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9. Manu Ginobili, San Antonio Spurs | Respect rating: 81.4
Gravity score: 65.4 | Distraction score: 97.3

10. Dwyane Wade, Miami Heat | Respect rating: 79.7
Gravity score: 82.2 | Distraction score: 77.1

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GOAT level post scorer from 08-11

Christ, you're delusional.

He anchored the best offense in the league AFTER Nash left in 06 with Josh Howard, Dampier, Adrian Griffin, Marquis Daniels, Diop getting major minutes. Only good offensive teammate he had was Jason Terry who was a decent player but hardly anything special.

Hardly special? In nearly 1,300 career games, Terry is averaging 17 points a game. Primarily as a bench player.

BTW, Dirk choked his ass off with his "best offense" in the Finals.

I hope u dont think Wades a better offensive player b/c he averaged 30/7 or whatever. If u think Wades a better offensive player u dont know sht about basketball, focus outside the boxscore and watch the games

You do know that an OFFENSE constitutes passing as well, right? Not only that, literally the only thing that Dirk does better scoring wise is shooting. Wade is an ATG slasher, elite post player, and a decent mid-range shooter. He is probably a top 2 GOAT passing SG as well.

05 - top 10 defense
06 - 11th ranked defense
07- top 5 defense
08 - top 10 defense
09 - 17th ranked defense, but an outlier b/c Mavs had roster changes and multiple injuries this season
10 - 12th ranked defense
11 - top 10 defense
12 - top 10 defense

'04 - Top 10
'05 - 6
'06 - 9
'07 - 8
'10 - 6
'11 - 5
'12 - 4
'13 - 9
'16 - 8

Dude is still the second best defender on the team at 34 and way past his prime.

u just made AJ go ghost with that last post...kid always rants about how D Wade is a defensive anchor when the Heat would always be mediocre defensively...and also that the Heat's defensive rating got inflated because Wade's heat would play at pretty much the slowest pace in the league

Hey, I know you're an autistic kid, but I'm here to help you learn.

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