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Old 01-12-2013, 06:49 PM   #16
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Default Re: Where does Howard rank as a player this year?

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We saw Dwight go from top three in 2011.. To top five ish in 2012..

Where does he rank this year?

1. Durant
2. Lebron
3. Chris paul
4. Melo
5. Tim duncan
6. Kobe
7. Harden
8. Wade
9. David Lee
10. Westbrook
11. Kyrie

12. Blake griffin
13. Tony parker
14. Chris bosh
15. Jrue holiday

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Old 01-12-2013, 06:53 PM   #17
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In other words --- Never played on a team with Kobe before.

Because Howard has been on teams with firepower.

Howard's teams in 08, 09, 10 and so on, were loaded with shooters and were top-10 offensive teams.

Up until the last two seasons, Dwight didn't lead the Magic in FGA (lead by Hedo, Rashard, Jameer, and Carter).

Point being, he shouldn't feel completely alienated on an offensive team in which he doesn't take the most shots. I do think, however, the Lakers should be showcasing him more, running more plays for him that aren't post ups, and trying to get him back to his normal self. Will that happen next to chuckbe, who has a history of not trusting teammates, who knows. But it also depends on his own health as much as anything.
Please don't derail this thread with your blatant 'I hate kobe because he raped my team for years and it wasn't fair because he had shaq' agenda.


The fact of the matter is.. Dwight was only an elite offensive option when:

-he had his athleticism
-he had shooters to spread the floor

The Lakers aren't built for this. Duhon and Darius were the point guards to start the season after Nash went down.. They both can't shoot. Kobe isn't a spot up shooter. Metta is very streaky and never consistent. Pau has played like garbage for two years. The bench is the worst shooting bench in the league. Meeks started off like shit.

Bottom line LA is not a elite shooting team. They suck at it. Even with Nash, guy is primarily a facilitator and not a spot up shooter. He's not properly utilized when he's standing around on the perimeter waiting to shoot. It's stupid.

Dwight hasn't been able to convert on his opportunities. He turns it over aka gets stripped twice as much as he gets an assist and he shoots worse from the stripe than Shaq did when teams were intentionally fouling him. He's been a liability on offense for many stretches during the year so far.

And on top of that he's clearly not moving as fluidly as he once did.. He's hurt. You are a dumb ass who offers no insight or evidence for anything. Take it somewhere else.
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Old 01-12-2013, 06:56 PM   #18
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Van gundy's system made him look so good defensively.
defence is not individuals but teamwork and coaching.
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Old 01-12-2013, 06:58 PM   #19
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to prove my point
in offence u can have 4 players sucking, and 1 player save u
but in defence 1 man sucking, and 4 others doing the work wont save u.
You need system in place, and team defence.
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Old 01-12-2013, 07:08 PM   #20
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Please don't derail this thread with your blatant 'I hate kobe because he raped my team for years and it wasn't fair because he had shaq' agenda.


The fact of the matter is.. Dwight was only an elite offensive option when:

-he had his athleticism
-he had shooters to spread the floor

The Lakers aren't built for this. Duhon and Darius were the point guards to start the season after Nash went down.. They both can't shoot. Kobe isn't a spot up shooter. Metta is very streaky and never consistent. Pau has played like garbage for two years. The bench is the worst shooting bench in the league. Meeks started off like shit.

Bottom line LA is not a elite shooting team. They suck at it. Even with Nash, guy is primarily a facilitator and not a spot up shooter. He's not properly utilized when he's standing around on the perimeter waiting to shoot. It's stupid.

Dwight hasn't been able to convert on his opportunities. He turns it over aka gets stripped twice as much as he gets an assist and he shoots worse from the stripe than Shaq did when teams were intentionally fouling him. He's been a liability on offense for many stretches during the year so far.

And on top of that he's clearly not moving as fluidly as he once did.. He's hurt. You are a dumb ass who offers no insight or evidence for anything. Take it somewhere else.

Derail the thread? dude don't get your panties in a bunch.

This thread is about Howard. and I posted about Howard.

Somebody said he's never been around such offensive power. Which is not entirely true.

104.5 ppg
101.0 ppg
102.8 ppg

Those were the Magic' averages when they went from the second round, to the Finals, then to the ECF. The Laker currently average 103.1 ppg.

Obviously, they're built differently. But this is the first time Dwight has played with somebody who takes 22-25 shots a game, which has to be an adjustment. Also the first time playing since surgery, also an obvious adjustment. None the less, his Usage-% is the lowest it's been in 6 years. As the season goes on, I think it's in the Lakers best interest give Dwight more and more offensive responsibility. That's if he ever gets back to 100%.
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Old 01-12-2013, 07:16 PM   #21
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Derail the thread? dude don't get your panties in a bunch.

This thread is about Howard. and I posted about Howard.

Somebody said he's never been around such offensive power. Which is not entirely true.

104.5 ppg
101.0 ppg
102.8 ppg

Those were the Magic' averages when they went from the second round, to the Finals, then to the ECF. The Laker currently average 103.1 ppg.

Obviously, they're built differently. But this is the first time Dwight has played with somebody who takes 22-25 shots a game, which has to be an adjustment. Also the first time playing since surgery, also an obvious adjustment. None the less, his Usage-% is the lowest it's been in 6 years. As the season goes on, I think it's in the Lakers best interest give Dwight more and more offensive responsibility. That's if he ever gets back to 100%.
They have been actively looking into that though..

Against the Clippers kobe didn't shoot at all in the first quarter and D'Antoni was looking to get the big men going.. They were posting Dwight over and over against deandre and we was getting stripped over and over by caron Butler on the help and missing bunnies in the lane. And all the while you have potent offensive options in kobe and Nash just sitting on the perimeter like they're jj Reddick and jameer Nelson. It makes no sense. It stagnates the offense more than a kobe iso.

Someone mentioned it in one of the game threads.. Howard used to beat everyone down the floor after a good defensive possession and seal his man off for an easy opportunity. He used to get deeper position and explode at the rim harder. He hasn't done that this year. He's been a shell of himself.

It's not as simple as giving him more opportunities.. He gets plenty and anyone will tell you his iso low post game has been very very ugly. It's not good offense and until he starts to actively make strides no one's gonna feed him more than they do now.
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Old 01-12-2013, 07:35 PM   #22
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It's not as simple as giving him more opportunities.. He gets plenty and anyone will tell you his iso low post game has been very very ugly. It's not good offense and until he starts to actively make strides no one's gonna feed him more than they do now.

I think this is the conundrum.

Keep him at his current rate, and who knows, maybe he never comes around. Maybe he perpetually looks to his next team (FA). Let him play himself out of it, and give him the touches he needs, and maybe he gets out of the funk sooner than we all thought.

Seems strange to make a huge trade for a guy and then not have confidence in him when he's at a low point. In turn, he won't have confidence in himself. And the team basically caves in to Kobe ball due to injuries and disorientation.

It actually reminds me of Manu. Who is no stranger to injuries. When he comes back from an injury, he's slower, looks tepid, and such. But the confidence that Pop, Duncan, and Parker show in him is unparalleled, to the point where he gets his shots, gets his touches, and such, till eventually he's looking his normal self. It won't happen over night, but it takes a concerted effort from everybody in Purple and Gold, the onus is not just on Howard IMO.
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Old 01-12-2013, 08:09 PM   #23
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I think this is the conundrum.

Keep him at his current rate, and who knows, maybe he never comes around. Maybe he perpetually looks to his next team (FA). Let him play himself out of it, and give him the touches he needs, and maybe he gets out of the funk sooner than we all thought.

Seems strange to make a huge trade for a guy and then not have confidence in him when he's at a low point. In turn, he won't have confidence in himself. And the team basically caves in to Kobe ball due to injuries and disorientation.

It actually reminds me of Manu. Who is no stranger to injuries. When he comes back from an injury, he's slower, looks tepid, and such. But the confidence that Pop, Duncan, and Parker show in him is unparalleled, to the point where he gets his shots, gets his touches, and such, till eventually he's looking his normal self. It won't happen over night, but it takes a concerted effort from everybody in Purple and Gold, the onus is not just on Howard IMO.
I agree they have to get Howard going.. Encourage him and whatnot. But kobe and Nash aren't going to baby the dude. He's got to get that motivation himself. This is an MVP caliber player sulking and playing like he's not even top 15 anymore. It's pathetic.
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outside of the top 30
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