When is the last time someone was CLEARLY

[SilkkTheShocker]

Then why did he only win 1 MVP?

It didn't help that missed a good amount of games every season

[SilkkTheShocker]

2006 Kobe
2000 Shaq
1989-1997 Jordan
1994-95 Hakeem
1986-1988 Magic
1982-1984 Bird
1975-1979 Kareem

Would take 06 Wade over 06 Kobe anyday.

[Legends66NBA7]

To me, the way to decide is whether every GM in the league would trade any player on their team straight across, if money were not an issue.

The only players to meet this criteria over the past 40 years are:
Kareem
Bird/Magic (they are one)
Jordan
Shaq
LeBron

Would Hakeem qualify too ?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Then why did he only win 1 MVP?

[Rysio]

2000-2013 kobe

[Joey3000]

Lebron has yet to CLEARLY take over a game and win it for his team this season. All of the other superstars had to do it several times already. And don't say shit like "He's so good, he doesn't need to take over at the end of games". Because then why did they lose the games they lost, and why did they need several clutch baskets from Ray and Bosh to win some of the close games?

What makes everybody so sure that he is the best? He was the best in the playoffs last year, until the finals where he shot less than 20% from outside the paint. Since then he hasn't been CLEARLY the best at anything other than piling up stats on a super stacked team where everything comes so easy.

Heck, right now it's not even clear who's the best player on his own team. Wade has outplayed him for at least a month now.

So ur saying Lebron is not the best in the league right now?

who is in his class as of right now?

[elementally morale]

To me, the way to decide is whether every GM in the league would trade any player on their team straight across, if money were not an issue.

The only players to meet this criteria over the past 40 years are:
Kareem
Bird/Magic (they are one)
Jordan
Shaq
LeBron

Which year?

Also, to me it comes down to this: IF you want to win a 7 game series starting tomorrow, who would you NOT trade no matter what?

2000 Shaq is such a player. 2013 LeBron? I don't know. I'm biased.

[vert48]

Would Hakeem qualify too ?

No, Hakeem would not (for me). Would the Jazz have traded Malone for Hakeem? I doubt it.

Unquestionably best in the league since 1970:
Kareem
Bird/Magic (they are one)
Jordan
Shaq
LeBron

These are the best players that overlapped that group:
Moses
Barkley
Hakeem
Malone
Duncan
Kobe

[Rysio]

So ur saying Lebron is not the best in the league right now?

who is in his class as of right now?

since the all star break kobe been by far the best player in the league its not even close. your just deluded by the stat padded box scores if you think lebrick is even close to mamba right now.

[cotdt]

Against an equally competitive team, Lebron will choke away important games down the stretch. Do you really want him above any other historical player in a 7-game series?

[vert48]

Would take 06 Wade over 06 Kobe anyday.

Yeah, me too, but not every GM in the league would agree on that.

[The Real JW]

2009-13: LeBron
2006-08: Kobe
2004-05: Garnett
1999-03: Shaq
1996-98: Jordan
1994-95: Hakeem
1988-93: Jordan
1980s: Bird and Magic

Bolded are the clearly beast, imo.

[Legends66NBA7]

2009-13: LeBron
2006-08: Kobe
2004-05: Garnett
1999-03: Shaq
1996-98: Jordan
1994-95: Hakeem
1988-93: Jordan
1980s: Bird and Magic

Bolded are the clearly beast, imo.

Disagree with Shaq 99-03, unless you meant 99-02.

Duncan has 03.

[LBJ 23]

So ur saying Lebron is not the best in the league right now?

who is in his class as of right now?

Don't bother, it's Pegasus. Like with ripthekik, you don't quote their posts cuz it's pointless.

Just ignore...

[SilkkTheShocker]

2009-13: LeBron
2006-08: Kobe
2004-05: Garnett
1999-03: Shaq
1996-98: Jordan
1994-95: Hakeem
1988-93: Jordan
1980s: Bird and Magic

Bolded are the clearly beast, imo.

I think Duncan was the best in 03, 05, and 07.