Dirk's legacy with two titles?

[TheCorporation]

[Teanett]

Let's not act like Dirk was playing with chopped liver...

For whatever it's worth ... comparing Dirk's team to Duncans 03 team... as far as when his teammates went in the draft

Jason Kidd - #2 overall pick (38 years old)
Tyson Chandler - #2 overall pick
Shawn Marion - #9 overall pick
Jason Terry - #10 overall pick
Peja Stojakovic - #12 overall pick
Brendan Haywood #20 overall pick
Barea - undrafted

David Robinson - #1 overall pick (37 years old)
Speedy Claxton - #20 overall pick
Tony Parker - #28 overall pick
Stephen Jackson - #42 overall pick
Malik Rose - #44 overall pick
Manu Ginobili - #57 overall pick
Bowen - undrafted

you can't say that Dirk's teammates, at least at one point in their careers, were never considered top prospects and some of the better eligible talent up for the draft.

And closer to the here and now, outside of Dirk, going into the playoffs his fellow starters had like 300+ games of playoff experience combined which shouldn't be discounted in why they were so strong a team. Ginobili was a rookie and Parker was a second year player in Duncan's first championship of the 2000's.

ok.
should be easy to win a title with a supporting cast of kwame brown, greg oden, grant hill (38 years old), tyrus thomas and adam morrison.
i'm not saying who had the better support, just that your argumentation makes no sense at all.
now go have a bag of chips and ride your donkey!

[rmt]

50's, 60's NBA, an era of stacked NBA teams and 100 point game. Not comparable to the modern 80+ era.

The ONLY PLAYER IN NBA HISTORY to be named...
All-NBA AND All-Defensive in each of his first 13 years is TIM DUNCAN born in 1976.

This thread is laughable - Dirk is nowhere near the players Duncan and Hakeem were on the defensive end of the court (you know, that's half of the game).

[rmt]

Rings doesn't mean s*(&.
Is Russel better than Jordan? F*(@ No

Tony Parker and Ginobli are both better than anyone Dirk has ever had.

Dirk repeating next year cements him as the GOAT PF.

edit: assuming you don't start listing Hakeem, etc as PF.

Tony Parker was a 20 year old, 2nd year player who was benched repeatedly for Speedy Claxton in 03. Manu was a rookie and averaged 7.6 pts that year.

Dirk if he repeats - GOAT PF? Ridiculous statement.

[asdf1990]

He will be the second white GOAT in the top 10 .

[Bring-Your-Js]

He will be the second white GOAT in the top 10 .

So long as Bird is secured.

* 4 Finals Trips
* 3 NBA MVPs
* 2 Finals MVPs (27/14/4/.482; 24/10/10/.484)

That's only what covers 1984-87. He's the last player to win three consecutive MVPs and one of the few to do it in history, the only player other than MJ to win both MVP/Finals MVP in the same season more than once.

[iamgine]

Let's not act like Dirk was playing with chopped liver...

For whatever it's worth ... comparing Dirk's team to Duncans 03 team... as far as when his teammates went in the draft

Jason Kidd - #2 overall pick (38 years old)
Tyson Chandler - #2 overall pick
Shawn Marion - #9 overall pick
Jason Terry - #10 overall pick
Peja Stojakovic - #12 overall pick
Brendan Haywood #20 overall pick
Barea - undrafted

David Robinson - #1 overall pick (37 years old)
Speedy Claxton - #20 overall pick
Tony Parker - #28 overall pick
Stephen Jackson - #42 overall pick
Malik Rose - #44 overall pick
Manu Ginobili - #57 overall pick
Bowen - undrafted

you can't say that Dirk's teammates, at least at one point in their careers, were never considered top prospects and some of the better eligible talent up for the draft.

And closer to the here and now, outside of Dirk, going into the playoffs his fellow starters had like 300+ games of playoff experience combined which shouldn't be discounted in why they were so strong a team. Ginobili was a rookie and Parker was a second year player in Duncan's first championship of the 2000's.

Comparing draft is worth absolutely nothing.

[creepingdeath]

Airchibundo is still alive? And not bashing Dirk?

The last time you were regularly posting was around the time when you claimed Dirk is worse than Melo, not an MVP candidate because he went through a shooting slump (although he was ejected in one game and injured in another) and overrated. Fortunately, the next game Dirk buried your Nuggets with a 34/10/10 triple double (and Melo going 10/9/1).

[DMAVS41]

A 2nd title would further solidify Dirk as one of the best players of all time.

I love Dirk....probably one of my top 3 favorite players of all time.

But he can't touch Duncan or Hakeem all time in my opinion. Another title would still leave him far behind those guys simply because I think they were both just better basketball players.

I have Dirk around 15th all time right now....another title might not move him up that much at all.

At this point, outside the top 12 or so there is a lot of subjectivity anyway.

Baylor, Hondo, Dr. J, Pettit, Oscar, West......I think its already debatable at this point based on resume alone.

I didn't see a lot of those guys play....like most here....so its really hard to say.

I did see the majority of Dr. J's career and I definitely think Dirk was a better player.

Dirk would be closer to that top 12 status with another title, but he wouldn't be quite yet there.

Dirk would need to play another 3 or 4 seasons at a high level, win 50 plus each year, and add 2 more titles to break into that range of a player.


But honestly from here on in its all gravy with Dirk. He's cemented as at worst a top 20 player of all time and around the 15 range for a lot of people now. Anything else he does can only move him up slightly. It would take a legendary remainder of his career to start challenging Moses or Kobe or Hakeem or Bird for the end of the top 10.

I love Dirk, but I don't see that happening.

[PowerGlove]

Airchibundo is still alive? And not bashing Dirk?

The last time you were regularly posting was around the time when you claimed Dirk is worse than Melo, not an MVP candidate because he went through a shooting slump (although he was ejected in one game and injured in another) and overrated. Fortunately, the next game Dirk buried your Nuggets with a 34/10/10 triple double (and Melo going 10/9/1).

You have a posting summary of everyone here?

LOL @ Dirk being 15th all time.

Dude's jockriding to the extreme.

[L8kersfan222]

You have a posting summary of everyone here?

LOL @ Dirk being 15th all time.

Dude's jockriding to the extreme.

lol phagg0t

[DMAVS41]

You have a posting summary of everyone here?

LOL @ Dirk being 15th all time.

Dude's jockriding to the extreme.

List some of the guys you have ahead of Dirk in that range please.

I'm assuming its Baylor, Pettit, Dr. J, and Hondo.....

All debatable on resume alone.

[PowerGlove]

List some of the guys you have ahead of Dirk in that range please.

I'm assuming its Baylor, Pettit, Dr. J, and Hondo.....

All debatable on resume alone.

Because KG, Barkley, Moses Malone,Oscar dont exist either right?

F*ck it, lets just put Dirk in the top 10.

[DMAVS41]

Because KG, Barkley, Moses Malone,Oscar dont exist either right?

Of course they do.

I actually have Moses in my untouchable range so I didn't list him. I didn't list Oscar simply because I figured you would for sure rank him over Dirk even though you probably didn't see him play.
I was conceding both of them.

Lets do it a different way.

I'll give you guys I will concede should be better than Dirk so we can go off a common ground.

1. Jordan
2. Russell
3. Magic
4. Wilt
5. Kareem
6. Duncan
7. Shaq
8. Bird
9. Hakeem
10. Kobe
11. Moses
12. Oscar
13. West


I'll give you those 13. I don't really think Oscar and West are for sure better, but I don't want to argue them.

After that.....you really think its laughable to put Dirk in the conversation with the other guys? Why?

[Collie]

Top 12. 2nd best PF ever.

Leading a back to back with no all-stars (assuming the Mavs players play the same way) is UNHEARD of. First of all, you can count on your fingers the number of guys who won 2 championships as the undisputed man. Top of my head (not counting the 50's): Russell, MJ, KAJ, Magic, Bird, Kobe, Shaq, TD, Hakeem... and that's it. Isiah and Havlicek were more by committee.

No Wilt, No West, No Baylor, No Moses, No Dr J, No KG, No Bob Pettit, Oscar or any other person. Chew on that for a bit.