Dirk's legacy with two titles?

[noob cake]

Same as right now - 2nd GOAT PF. He won't surpass Duncan.

Rings doesn't mean s*(&.
Is Russel better than Jordan? F*(@ No

Tony Parker and Ginobli are both better than anyone Dirk has ever had.

Dirk repeating next year cements him as the GOAT PF.

edit: assuming you don't start listing Hakeem, etc as PF.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Rings doesn't mean s*(&.
Is Russel better than Jordan? F*(@ No

Tony Parker and Ginobli are both better than anyone Dirk has ever had.

Dirk repeating next year cements him as the GOAT PF.

edit: assuming you don't start listing Hakeem, etc as PF.

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[miles berg]

He wouldnt move any really. He would still be around that #15 spot and he would still be the 2nd best PF ever after Tim Duncan.

[50inchvertical]

If Dirk wins a second ring with a playoff run like the one he just had...he should move ahead of Hakeem on any list. Dirk has been a guaranteed 50+ winner every season, while Hakeem could only do that five times. Both would have one MVP and two Finals MVPs (assuming that Dirk would win another.) He would have done more with comparable rosters. And let's face reality, one of Hakeem's rings should have had an asterick attached, since MJ did not play on the 55-27 Bulls that season. And even then, Hakeem's Rockets barely beat a Ewing-led team that had no more talent than Hakeem's Rockets.

at the idea of astericks. Well give the Mavs an asterisk for this playoff run since they had a 24,000,000 payroll advantage on the Miami Heat, 37,000,000 over the OKC Thunder, 1,000,000 deficit to the Lakers, and 20,000,000 over the Blazers.

On average, they spent over 20,000,000 in payroll over their opponents. And therefore, asterisks all the Laker's championships too. It's just an unfair advantage

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Rings doesn't mean s*(&.
Is Russel better than Jordan? F*(@ No

Tony Parker and Ginobli are both better than anyone Dirk has ever had.

Dirk repeating next year cements him as the GOAT PF.

edit: assuming you don't start listing Hakeem, etc as PF.

can you please remind me of something:
Who is the ONLY PLAYER IN NBA HISTORY to be named...
All-NBA AND All-Defensive in each of his first 13 years.

Also, please remind me how many times Dirk was named all-defensive.

Thanks.

[noob cake]

can you please remind me of something:
Who is the ONLY PLAYER IN NBA HISTORY to be named...
All-NBA AND All-Defensive in each of his first 13 years.

Also, please remind me how many times Dirk was named all-defensive.

Thanks.

50's, 60's NBA, an era of stacked NBA teams and 100 point game. Not comparable to the modern 80+ era.

[CJ Mustard]

Rings doesn't mean s*(&.
Is Russel better than Jordan? F*(@ No

Tony Parker and Ginobli are both better than anyone Dirk has ever had.

Dirk repeating next year cements him as the GOAT PF.

edit: assuming you don't start listing Hakeem, etc as PF.

Rings don't mean sh*t, but yet somehow Dirk winning a ring next year puts him ahead of Duncan...Makes perfect sense....

[noob cake]

Rings don't mean sh*t, but yet somehow Dirk winning a ring next year puts him ahead of Duncan...Makes perfect sense....

Playoff run bro. Duncan barely has 3 Finals MVP. Oh wait, remember all Parker/Ginobli heroics during the playoffs?

[SCdac]

Tony Parker and Ginobli are both better than anyone Dirk has ever had.

Let's not act like Dirk was playing with chopped liver...

For whatever it's worth ... comparing Dirk's team to Duncans 03 team... as far as when his teammates went in the draft

Jason Kidd - #2 overall pick (38 years old)
Tyson Chandler - #2 overall pick
Shawn Marion - #9 overall pick
Jason Terry - #10 overall pick
Peja Stojakovic - #12 overall pick
Brendan Haywood #20 overall pick
Barea - undrafted

David Robinson - #1 overall pick (37 years old)
Speedy Claxton - #20 overall pick
Tony Parker - #28 overall pick
Stephen Jackson - #42 overall pick
Malik Rose - #44 overall pick
Manu Ginobili - #57 overall pick
Bowen - undrafted

you can't say that Dirk's teammates, at least at one point in their careers, were never considered top prospects and some of the better eligible talent up for the draft.

And closer to the here and now, outside of Dirk, going into the playoffs his fellow starters had like 300+ games of playoff experience combined which shouldn't be discounted in why they were so strong a team. Ginobili was a rookie and Parker was a second year player in Duncan's first championship of the 2000's.

[ShaqAttack3234]

If Dirk wins a second ring with a playoff run like the one he just had...he should move ahead of Hakeem on any list. Dirk has been a guaranteed 50+ winner every season, while Hakeem could only do that five times. Both would have one MVP and two Finals MVPs (assuming that Dirk would win another.) He would have done more with comparable rosters. And let's face reality, one of Hakeem's rings should have had an asterick attached, since MJ did not play on the 55-27 Bulls that season. And even then, Hakeem's Rockets barely beat a Ewing-led team that had no more talent than Hakeem's Rockets.

Just shut up, Hakeem was simply a better player, and I like Dirk. I defended him before this title, but to suggest Dirk would even have a case over Hakeem is asinine.

[Chalkmaze]

Dirk has really awesome defense and when you add that with his extremely dominating post game, blinding speed, and superman rebounding

btw... Dirk had a few helpers, most notably his deep pocketed owner friend.

[Jotaro Durant]

He should be top 20 on everybody's list if that happens.

I would have him somewhere between 17-20 if he gets that done next season.

[Rose]

I definitely move him into the top 15. I think he's right around 17 right now.

[Go Getter]

Just shut up, Hakeem was simply a better player, and I like Dirk. I defended him before this title, but to suggest Dirk would even have a case over Hakeem is asinine.

[Brunch@Five]

While I agree that Hakeem is the better basketball player, it is notable that he hovered around .500 ball with his team for so long. Certainly does not speak for his impact on his teammates. Guys also have to realize that Hakeem wasn't always 1994 Hakeem. He had some years where he played well below his ability.
Also his offense is greatly exaggerated. Had only 4 years scoring over 25 ppg and did so on worse efficiency than Dirk. You can easily make the case that Dirk was a better offensive player.