Dirk 2011 vs Lebron 2016

[bond10]

Saw this in another forum:

Dirk 2011

Round 1: Trailblazers (Lillard, Aldridge,Matthews)
Round 2: Lakers 2010 Champions (Kobe, Gasol, Bynum)
West Finals: Thunder (Durant, Westbrook, Harden)
Finals: Heat (James, Wade, Bosh)


LeBron 2016

Round 1: Pistons (Drummond, Jackson, Johnson)
Round 2: Hawks (Holford, Teague,Korver)
East Finals: Raptors (Lowry, Derozan, Biyombo)
Finals: Warriors 2015 Champions (Curry, Thompson, Green)

Who you got?

[moongaze]

Lebron 2016. Led all players in points,rebounds,assists, blocks and steals. First player with back to back 40 pt games in the finals. First team to come back down 1-3. Beat the team with the most regular season wins in history

Team started off 10-0

[~primetime~]

definitely Dirk

Mavs were the #4 seed that year, no one gave them a snow ball's chance in hell to even make it past the Lakers, much less OKC or the Dream Team Heat...every round they crushed fan's expectations.

Dirk had a lesser cast too. Kyrie/Love > Terry/Chandler

[ClipperRevival]

Lebron 2016. Led all players in points,rebounds,assists, blocks and steals. [COLOR="Red"]First player with back to back 40 pt games in the finals[/COLOR]. First team to come back down 1-3. Beat the team with the most regular season wins in history

Team started off 10-0

MJ had 4 straight games of 40+ points in the 1993 finals (42, 44, 55, 41) to average 45.5 PPG during that stretch. And i'm sure West did it several times too.

[moongaze]

The mavs had great pieces on that team and wouldn't have beat the heat without the defense of the other players and rebounding. They killed the heat on the boards. Thsts what really did it for them. Plus warriors>any team Dirks squad beat

[Just2McFly]

definitely Dirk

Mavs were the #4 seed that year, no one gave them a snow ball's chance in hell to even make it past the Lakers, much less OKC or the Dream Team Heat...every round they crushed fan's expectations.

Dirk had a lesser cast too. Kyrie/Love > Terry/Chandler

You can't be serious with this dream team heat nonsense. You acting like the Mavs didnt win just as much as the Heat that year. The 2011 Mavs won 57 games and the Heat won 58.

The Cavs literally just beat 73 win team fam.

[NBAGOAT]

MJ had 4 straight games of 40+ points in the 1993 finals (42, 44, 55, 41) to average 45.5 PPG during that stretch. And i'm sure West did it several times too.

espn did a graphic on this haha don't know how he could say this unless he missed it or trolling. He was the 5th guy after MJ, West, Barry, and Shaq. To answer the question I lean Lebron but it's close. A little better in the RS, a wash in the playoffs.

[moongaze]

MJ had 4 straight games of 40+ points in the 1993 finals (42, 44, 55, 41) to average 45.5 PPG during that stretch. And i'm sure West did it several times too.

You're right.

[Quickening]

Lebron statistically was comfortably the better player offensively, and he played great defence, especially in the finals, plus he beat a 73 win team.

Dirk for playoffs averaged 28, 3 and 8 on 49 percent shooting.

Lebron for playoffs averaged 26, 8 and 10 on 53 percent shooting.


Dirk for the 2011 finals averaged 26, 2, 10 on 42 percent shooting.

Lebron for the 2016 finals averaged 30, 9, 11 on 50 percent shooting.

[SamuraiSWISH]

I mean 2011 Thunder > 2016 Raptors, but

Not even close. LeBron.

Mavs beat a broken down Lakers team and a self imploded Heat team (thanks to Bron). Where as James led both teams in every statistical category. Played vastly superior defense. And beat the defending Champs who had won 73 games in the regular season. Looked like Monstars level of unstoppable.

This is stupid. LeBron's Finals was near 91 - 93 MJ, 00 - 02 Shaq, and 06 Wade territory. Dirk wasn't even close to 2012 - 2015 LeBron level performance in the Finals.

[DMAVS41]

Lebron statistically was comfortably the better player offensively, and he played great defence, especially in the finals, plus he beat a 73 win team.

Dirk for playoffs averaged 28, 3 and 8 on 49 percent shooting.

Lebron for playoffs averaged 26, 8 and 10 on 53 percent shooting.


Dirk for the 2011 finals averaged 26, 2, 10 on 42 percent shooting.

Lebron for the 2016 finals averaged 30, 9, 11 on 50 percent shooting.

I don't really care to argue this, but please use real efficiency...

And the answer is Lebron...he clearly was not going to let his team lose and what he did in games 5/6 was historic in a way that Dirk didn't achieve in 11. Not to say Dirk didn't have his moments, but not quite like that.

Only argument Dirk really has here is that his road was much tougher and maybe an argument can be made that Lebron's inept shooting wouldn't have been good enough to beat 3 teams in a row that could beat his team if he didn't play well.

I don't know though...hard to watch what happened in the finals with his back against the wall and think that dude is losing to any of the teams the Mavs beat in 11.

[nightprowler10]

I guess the real question is, is GSW 2016 > Heat 2011 team? I say yes but not by too much. Dubs really cared about their record, none of the Heatles teams really cared.

Dirk had a really tough road to the finals compared to Lebron, who had Kyrie doing a lot of good work throughout the playoffs. Dirk had Jet and sometimes the little dude, otherwise he had to carry the load offensively most of the time. Unless I'm mistaken, Dirk faced all these teams at full strength. Lebron benefited hugely from Green's suspension.

I'd say it's very close.

[NBAGOAT]

Lebron statistically was comfortably the better player offensively, and he played great defence, especially in the finals, plus he beat a 73 win team.

Dirk for playoffs averaged 28, 3 and 8 on 49 percent shooting.

Lebron for playoffs averaged 26, 8 and 10 on 53 percent shooting.


Dirk for the 2011 finals averaged 26, 2, 10 on 42 percent shooting.

Lebron for the 2016 finals averaged 30, 9, 11 on 50 percent shooting.

The 3 pt shot actually makes Dirk more efficient so it's not comfortable. 61TS% for Dirk to 58.5%TS for Lebron. Lebron was better in the Finals no doubt, Dirk was better the in the conference Finals however.

[moongaze]

Dirk for the 2011 finals averaged 26, 2, 10 on 42 percent shooting.

Lebron for the 2016 finals averaged 30, 9, 11 on 50 percent shooting.

42 percent is putrid. I'm not a big fan of using ts%. . I value conversion rate more. Converting on 42 percent of your shots is not good no matter what analytics you use to make it look better.

[ArbitraryWater]

For the Finals its not even a discussion.. for the playoffs? Different type of adversity. Bron wasnt really challenged besides in the Toronto game 6.