LeBron vs Bird argument officially destroyed

[knicksman]

2011 is the only time he really struggled in the NBA Finals. Lebron put up better numbers than Bird in the NBA Finals. You cannot blame him in 2014 and 2015. Hie teammates let him down in 2014 while in 2015 his 3 best players were missing.

They were very lucky to win 2 games vs. the Warriors with that kind of supporting casts.

As you can see, Lebron significantly reduces the assists of his teammates:


Wade apg and assist % before Lebron (04'-10'): 6.6, 34.8%
Wade apg and assist % with... Lebron (11'-14'): 4.7, 25.5%


Bosh apg and assist % before Lebron (04'-10'): 2.2, 10.5%
Bosh apg and assist % with... Lebron (11'-14'): 1.6, .8.0%

Irving apg and assist % before Lebron (12'-14'): 5.8, 33.2
Irving apg and assist % with... Lebron (2015):... 5.2, 25.0%


Kevin Love apg and assist % in MIN: 2.5, 13.0%
Kevin Love apg and assist % in CLE:. 2.2, 10.7%

Mo Williams apg and assist % before Lebron: 6.3, 30.0%
Mo Williams apg and assist % with... Lebron: 4.1, 20.1%


Since we know Lebron significantly reduces the assists of this teammates, we know that he doesn't allow equal-opportunity offenses, where all 5 players SHARE the playmaking responsibilities - this is the kind of offense that teams perceived as "smart" use, such as Mavs, Spurs, 2015 Warriors, and 90's Bulls equal-opportunity triangle.. Since Lebron's style prevents equal opportunity and the best brand of basketball, equal or less-talented opponents pull upsets by playing a better brand of basketball (2009, 2011, 2014).

Of course, with Lebron's style decreasing the assists of teammates, it's no surprise that all his TEAMS have very low assist frequency.

Also, the fact that all of Lebron's Finals losses have come by losing 3 or 4 games in succession, underscores the lack of adjustability and easily-solvable nature of Lebron's ball-dominant style, playground style.

[Lebron23]

As you can see, Lebron significantly reduces the assists of his teammates:


Wade apg and assist % before Lebron (04'-10'): 6.6, 34.8%
Wade apg and assist % with... Lebron (11'-14'): 4.7, 25.5%


Bosh apg and assist % before Lebron (04'-10'): 2.2, 10.5%
Bosh apg and assist % with... Lebron (11'-14'): 1.6, .8.0%

Irving apg and assist % before Lebron (12'-14'): 5.8, 33.2
Irving apg and assist % with... Lebron (2015):... 5.2, 25.0%


Kevin Love apg and assist % in MIN: 2.5, 13.0%
Kevin Love apg and assist % in CLE:. 2.2, 10.7%

Mo Williams apg and assist % before Lebron: 6.3, 30.0%
Mo Williams apg and assist % with... Lebron: 4.1, 20.1%


Since we know Lebron significantly reduces the assists of this teammates, we know that he doesn't allow equal-opportunity offenses, where all 5 players SHARE the playmaking responsibilities - this is the kind of offense that teams perceived as "smart" use, such as Mavs, Spurs, 2015 Warriors, and 90's Bulls equal-opportunity triangle.. Since Lebron's style prevents equal opportunity and the best brand of basketball, equal or less-talented opponents pull upsets by playing a better brand of basketball (2009, 2011, 2014).

Of course, with Lebron's style decreasing the assists of teammates, it's no surprise that all his TEAMS have very low assist frequency.

Also, the fact that all of Lebron's Finals losses have come by losing 3 or 4 games in succession, underscores the lack of adjustability and easily-solvable nature of Lebron's ball-dominant style, playground style.

You forgot to posts to your other account?? You are using two browsers.

[feyki]

Dubeta, Jeff might ban you. You need to calm down until the start of the 2016 NBA Playoffs.

[Kvnzhangyay]

True...Thats Why I Laugh Out Out Load When a Kid Tells Me Lebron is a Better Passer Than Bird. When All He Does is CHARGER OR DRIVE, GET DOUBLED and PASS TO AN OPEN MAN

Unlike Lebron Bird: Was THE GOD HALF COURT & STATIONARY PASSER!!!

Bird`s Passing Was Way More Crafty!!!

Most seniors that I talked to in a senior home said Lebron was better than any wing player they ever saw except Jordan. ( including magic, bird, kobe, etc)

[Gileraracer]

Most seniors that I talked to in a senior home said Lebron was better than any wing player they ever saw except Jordan. ( including magic, bird, kobe, etc)

I talked to 20 seniors in a senior home and all of them said "I have no clue who LeBron is". So if seniors are always right does this mean LeBron is totally irrelevant?

[miles berg]

Bird all day. He made others around him better. Much better passer, other world shooter, other world BBIQ. Bird played a style where he didn't dominate the ball the whole game. Why don't you post their usage rate.

On top of all of that the actual mental aspect of the game is truly what separates the two. Bird was fearless, LeBron shrinks in the biggest moments. He is mentally incapable of being in the tier of guys like Magic & Bird and anyone that has ever truly watched them all play understands this.

[dubeta]

And all this is even without getting into LeBrons far superior off-ball game


It's easily Bron in this debate







Bird is still > Kobe though

[Dragonyeuw]

Lebron is more physically gifted and dominant from a two-way perspective, but you can plug Bird into pretty much any team scenario, and not have to completely revamp the team make-up around him. Both Wade and Bosh had to adjust themselves in order for the Heat experiment to work. You plug Bird into that scenario, and both of those guys would have performed to capacity without having to do any major alterations to their game. In 2011, Wade and James pretty much had a 'my turn, your turn' dynamic for the entire year, that's why they started off mediocre and only by the end of the season got it together, before imploding against Dallas, because of their talent. But they didn't have anything resembling a real offense until 2012. You stick Bird on the 2011 Heat, and he'll give you his usual production while allowing Wade to maintain his game, and not turn Bosh into a spot-up shooter.

[Lebronxrings]

bird does nothing better than bron...

[Gileraracer]

bird does nothing better than bron...

Bird won the 3pt contest three times and had 2 seasons of 50%/40%/90%


Besides all trolling, do you really think LeBron could do that?

[dubeta]

Bird won the 3pt contest three times and had 2 seasons of 50%/40%/90%


Besides all trolling, do you really think LeBron could do that?

LeBron has had a 55fg+ 40% 3 point season



Lol


Rekt

[Gileraracer]

LeBron has had a 55fg+ 40% 3 point season



Lol


Rekt

So in your opinion that's equal?

[juju151111]

Lebron is Better Than 88-92 Bird NOT HEALTHY 79-87 Bird.

No LJ is better then Bird

[LikeABosh]

Was there even an argument? Lebron passed Bird 2 years ago

[LikeABosh]

As you can see, Lebron significantly reduces the assists of his teammates:


Wade apg and assist % before Lebron (04'-10'): 6.6, 34.8%
Wade apg and assist % with... Lebron (11'-14'): 4.7, 25.5%


Bosh apg and assist % before Lebron (04'-10'): 2.2, 10.5%
Bosh apg and assist % with... Lebron (11'-14'): 1.6, .8.0%

Irving apg and assist % before Lebron (12'-14'): 5.8, 33.2
Irving apg and assist % with... Lebron (2015):... 5.2, 25.0%


Kevin Love apg and assist % in MIN: 2.5, 13.0%
Kevin Love apg and assist % in CLE:. 2.2, 10.7%

Mo Williams apg and assist % before Lebron: 6.3, 30.0%
Mo Williams apg and assist % with... Lebron: 4.1, 20.1%


Since we know Lebron significantly reduces the assists of this teammates, we know that he doesn't allow equal-opportunity offenses, where all 5 players SHARE the playmaking responsibilities - this is the kind of offense that teams perceived as "smart" use, such as Mavs, Spurs, 2015 Warriors, and 90's Bulls equal-opportunity triangle.. Since Lebron's style prevents equal opportunity and the best brand of basketball, equal or less-talented opponents pull upsets by playing a better brand of basketball (2009, 2011, 2014).

Of course, with Lebron's style decreasing the assists of teammates, it's no surprise that all his TEAMS have very low assist frequency.

Also, the fact that all of Lebron's Finals losses have come by losing 3 or 4 games in succession, underscores the lack of adjustability and easily-solvable nature of Lebron's ball-dominant style, playground style.

Obviously his teammates assists will go down you ****ing idiot. Lebron is the one with the ball in his hands running the show.