Bill Russell is the true 2nd GOAT behind Kareem. not MJ

[kennethgriffen]

There are 3 people who you can make an argument for over MJ (Wilt, Russell, Kareem).

Doesn’t mean the argument is a particulrly strong one

kareem and russell are a strong one


wilt didn't win enough

[superduper]

kareem and russell are a strong one


wilt didn't win enough

But Kareem only really won (in the NBA) with top 5-15 all time great help as well.

[kennethgriffen]

But Kareem only really won (in the NBA) with top 5-15 all time great help as well.

the only way to win in the 80's was with some all time great help


there was like 4 golden state warriors running around at the time

[hiphopanonymous]

kareem and russell are a strong one


wilt didn't win enough

A person who recognizes Wilt's greatness for what it was would say:

"Yeah Russell and Kareem weren't dominant enough"

And they'd be right.

A "greatest of all time" criteria is 100% opinion. People of course get really vested in these opinions and it takes on a part of their personality so they fight with others as if their opinion is a fact but let's be serious for a second - we are discussing opinions here. Supported by facts of course, but opinions nonetheless.

[Duncan21formvp]

Jordan is the GOAT. Never lost with HCA and never was down 3-2 in a series with HCA and never played with anyone who won league or finals mvp for a season either.

[Round Mound]

[B]I used to underrate Russel cause he wasnt a great offensive player but his defense was amazing i

[sportjames23]

3ball, Kenny's acting up again. Put him back in his cage, pls.

[3ball]

Kareem had the most help of anyone in history

Literally

Name a player who had more.. I'll wait

And he was only the man for half his rings, if that.. At least 2 rings he was the 3rd or 4th best player

A great, long career, but lacked MJ's peak dominance, and wasn't dominant at all (i.e. 16' love'esque) for a few of his rings.