Reggie Miller > Allen Iverson

[3ball]

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Reggie led his team to the Finals as a #1 option and alpha leader of his team just like Iverson did.

Except Reggie's offense fit with any teammates and in any offensive system, so he wasn't a 1-trick pony like Iverson... Reggie led his team to championship contention in 1998 too, against Jordan's Bulls, and had a much longer record of playoff success as his team's #1 option than Iverson ever had.

And Reggie has better stats - his WS/48 is 0.176.. much higher than Iverson's 0.126... when the gap is that big, it means something.

Between 1990 and 2001 (12 seasons), Reggie Miller's offensive win share (OWS) was ranged from 8.0 to 12.0, and was always among the league leaders... Iverson only has 3 seasons where his OWS was higher than 6.0 - it's because of his embarrassing inefficiency - Iverson's has a career 51% TS and 105 ORtg to Miller's 61% and 121 ORtg.

Back to the stats - Reggie's prior-informed RAPM in 1998 has him 12th in the league at 4.90, compared to Iverson's 139th and 0.08.... http://ascreamingcomesacrossthecourt...ormed.html?m=1

And his total RAPM scores for 1997-2014 has Reggie Miller in 101st place among all players and Iverson is at 180th... https://sites.google.com/site/rapmstats/97-14-rapm-2

That's why he was able to make the Finals in 2000... Reggie averaged 24 PPG heads-up with Kobe, and held Kobe to 19 PPG on 36% shooting... Whereas Kobe got 25 PPG on 41% in the 2001 Finals against Iverson and McKie, who were both big size mismatches for him.

If both guys play on different teams for 20 years, Reggie has the greater chance of leading a team to a championship - he proved it.
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[AI09]

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Reggie led his team to the Finals as a #1 option and alpha leader of his team just like Iverson did.

Except Reggie's offense fit with any teammates and in any offensive system, so he wasn't a 1-trick pony like Iverson... Reggie led his team to championship contention in 1998 too, against Jordan's Bulls, and had a much longer record of playoff success as his team's #1 option than Iverson ever had.

And Reggie has better stats - his WS/48 is 0.176.. much higher than Iverson's 0.126... when the gap is that big, it means something.

Between 1990 and 2001 (12 seasons), Reggie Miller's offensive win share (OWS) was ranged from 8.0 to 12.0, and was always among the league leaders... Iverson only has 3 seasons where his OWS was higher than 6.0 - it's because of his embarrassing inefficiency - Iverson's has a career 51% TS and 105 ORtg to Miller's 61% and 121 ORtg.

Back to the stats - Reggie's prior-informed RAPM in 1998 has him 12th in the league at 4.90, compared to Iverson's 139th and 0.08.... http://ascreamingcomesacrossthecourt...ormed.html?m=1

And his total RAPM scores for 1997-2014 has Reggie Miller in 101st place among all players and Iverson is at 180th... https://sites.google.com/site/rapmstats/97-14-rapm-2

That's why he was able to make the Finals in 2000... Reggie averaged 24 PPG heads-up with Kobe, and held Kobe to 19 PPG on 36% shooting... Whereas Kobe got 25 PPG on 41% in the 2001 Finals against Iverson and McKie, who were both big size mismatches for him.

If both guys play on different teams for 20 years, Reggie has the greater chance of leading a team to a championship - he proved it.
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Nice try but no Reggie isn't better than Iverson. Neither one won a championship and Reggie was around for a long time. Put Reggie on the sixer in 01 and see how far they get. Not hating on Reggie I just think Iverson was better. When Reggie retired my middle school was tagged up with Reggie Miller 31 all over the place almost got suspended for it too

[mehyaM24]

true. allen was a very skilled player, but his points came at a price.. your team was going to be inefficient as hell.

only thing i will say, though, is that iverson needed way more help on offense. upper philly management did a terrible job building around him, and as a result, guy was literally forced to be THE offense. we saw him in denver with carmelo and he was actually distributing. playing all around efficient basketball - so its not like it was beneath him to play smart. better offensive players for the tenure of his prime would've paid huge dividends for his career and legacy.

[TheMarkMadsen]

You are wrong again

[Dro]

No, Reggie is not better than Iverson, at anything other than clutch moments and shooting......

[QuebecBaller]

as individual player, AI is by far better than Miller

as team player, it's Miller Time

[Prometheus]

I agree with OP. I have always believed that there is no possible way to construct a championship-caliber team around Iverson. His stats are misleading - the guy just played in a way that was NOT CONDUCIVE TO SUCCESS. It's a shame, because he had such heart and passion...

Everything that OP usually says about LeBron is actually true about Iverson.

[Marchesk]

I agree with OP. I have always believed that there is no possible way to construct a championship-caliber team around Iverson. His stats are misleading - the guy just played in a way that was NOT CONDUCIVE TO SUCCESS. It's a shame, because he had such heart and passion...

Everything that OP usually says about LeBron is actually true about Iverson.

But that 76er squad that went to the finals was a contender. They just had the misfortune of playing Shaq at his peak.

[triangleoffense]

true. allen was a very skilled player, but his points came at a price.. your team was going to be inefficient as hell.

only thing i will say, though, is that iverson needed way more help on offense. upper philly management did a terrible job building around him, and as a result, guy was literally forced to be THE offense. we saw him in denver with carmelo and he was actually distributing. playing all around efficient basketball - so its not like it was beneath him to play smart. better offensive players for the tenure of his prime would've paid huge dividends for his career and legacy.

They surrounded him with players that complimented him such as defensive rebounding big men and still they got nowhere.

[artificial]

Btw, it doesn't matter if you nor me like it or not, fact is...
























"Kiss my stats"

[VIP2000]

They surrounded him with players that complimented him such as defensive rebounding big men and still they got nowhere.

Management also tried pairing him up with Stackhouse, Larry Hughes, Keith Van Horn, Derrick Coleman, and Glenn Robinson. Granted, they're all flawed players but they could at least score. All of them pretty much got ran out of town because they couldn't co-exist with Iverson.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Management also tried pairing him up with Stackhouse, Larry Hughes, Keith Van Horn, Derrick Coleman, and Glenn Robinson. Granted, they're all flawed players but they could at least score. All of them pretty much got ran out of town because they couldn't co-exist with Iverson.

You serious with this post?

Stackhouse played with AI for one full season during Iverson's rookie year, put up 20 on 40%..

Hughes played with AI during Hughes rookie year in 99, which was a lock out season and Hughes came off the bench. He was gone the next year..

Keith Van Horn? Lol played with the 76ers in 04 for a season.


Coleman was 34 when he joined the 76ers and was never anything that special even in his prime, what's AI supposed to do with an ancient Derrick Coleman..

[JohnnySic]

LOL, just no.

[supernova5912]

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They surrounded him with players that complimented him such as defensive rebounding big men and still they got nowhere.

Um, they got to the Finals and won a game against the Lakers who, at that time, were 12-0 in the postseason. If that's getting nowhere, I'm guessing you think that you're only going somewhere if you win a championship. Plus the only Eastern Conference teams that won championships in the 2000s before the Miami Heat, were the 04 Pistons, and 08 Celtics.

[They Won]

Reggie does fit better on more teams, but that doesn't make him better.