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    By the time it's all said and done Tony Parker's playoff resume will make almost any other PGs look laughable:

    1. He already has more playoff points than any other PG in NBA history.
    2. This year he should easily pass Hakeem, Havilicek, & Bird to move to #9 in playoff scoring history (any position).
    3. Has all the playoff hardware: 4 titles, 1 FMVP currently and is the scoring and assist leader on the NBA favorite for winning a title next season. And consistently has beaten all the other PG "greats" in the playoffs (Paul, Westbrook, Curry, Lilliard, Nash, Deron, Kidd, etc.)
    4. This year will easily pass Nash & some others and move to 4th all time in playoff assists.
    5. In 2/3 years, he could pretty easily pass Kidd and end up #3 all time in playoff assists (behind Magic & Stockton).
    6. #8 in all-time playoff wins right now.
    7. Has a outside chance to end up with the most playoff wins of all-time, but would have to play another 5+ seasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninephive
    By the time it's all said and done Tony Parker's playoff resume will make almost any other PGs look laughable:

    1. He already has more playoff points than any other PG in NBA history.
    2. This year he should easily pass Hakeem, Havilicek, & Bird to move to #9 in playoff scoring history (any position).
    3. Has all the playoff hardware: 4 titles, 1 FMVP currently and is the scoring and assist leader on the NBA favorite for winning a title next season. And consistently has beaten all the other PG "greats" in the playoffs (Paul, Westbrook, Curry, Lilliard, Nash, Deron, Kidd, etc.)
    4. This year will easily pass Nash & some others and move to 4th all time in playoff assists.
    5. In 2/3 years, he could pretty easily pass Kidd and end up #3 all time in playoff assists (behind Magic & Stockton).
    6. #8 in all-time playoff wins right now.
    7. Has a outside chance to end up with the most playoff wins of all-time, but would have to play another 5+ seasons.
    what duncan and pop can do for a career.

    he was the best player on his team for one year and thats when they got bounced in round 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninephive
    By the time it's all said and done Tony Parker's playoff resume will make almost any other PGs look laughable:

    1. He already has more playoff points than any other PG in NBA history.
    2. This year he should easily pass Hakeem, Havilicek, & Bird to move to #9 in playoff scoring history (any position).
    3. Has all the playoff hardware: 4 titles, 1 FMVP currently and is the scoring and assist leader on the NBA favorite for winning a title next season. And consistently has beaten all the other PG "greats" in the playoffs (Paul, Westbrook, Curry, Lilliard, Nash, Deron, Kidd, etc.)
    4. This year will easily pass Nash & some others and move to 4th all time in playoff assists.
    5. In 2/3 years, he could pretty easily pass Kidd and end up #3 all time in playoff assists (behind Magic & Stockton).
    6. #8 in all-time playoff wins right now.
    7. Has a outside chance to end up with the most playoff wins of all-time, but would have to play another 5+ seasons.
    Pop is a genius.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nowitness
    what duncan and pop can do for a career.

    he was the best player on his team for one year and thats when they got bounced in round 1.
    Who was the best player on the Spurs this year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninephive
    Who was the best player on the Spurs this year?
    kawhi tim manu were better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoutPractice
    Duncan, LeBron, Kobe, Dirk, KG, Wade are almost locks. Nash is arguable but essentially retired.

    In the new generation:

    PG: CP3 (Westbrook, Rose?)

    This generation's PG are some of the most talented ever to play, but there's also high turnover from one year to the next. CP3 is the only one so far to have had a consistent enough career... and what a career it has been. But after him, the revolutionary freaks like Rose and Westbrook haven't completely delivered on the promise yet. Rose, because of the injury... which he might still recover from, so there's still hope, as he's one of the few PGs to have ever won MVP... Westbrook is a superstar masquerading as a sidekick, similar to early 00s Kobe, but the position is historically deeper than you'd think. You have to compete with Magic, Oscar, Stockton, Kidd, Isaiah, Payton, Nash, and now CP3...

    SG: No one active

    It's that bad. Harden is the only franchise player at the position, but a top 5 SG has to find room next to the likes of Jordan, Kobe, Jerry West and D-Wade...

    SF: Kevin Durant

    The greatest player of his generation, who's shown he can compete with one of the best to ever play the game.

    PF: Anthony Davis

    If they stay healthy Griffin and Love will be HOFers one day... I think Griffin can be a poor man's Malone and Kevin Love a slightly richer man's Jerry Lucas. This is all very good and will make this generation another PF-rich one, but the position is historically stacked, as you need to compete with the likes of Duncan, KG, Barkley and Malone.

    Davis has accomplished less than those two so far, but his potential is through the roof. He's the only player with that kind of ceiling.

    C: No one "active" (very, very remote possibility for Embiid, who at least looks like we might want to give him a chance before we rule him out)

    C is the greatest position in NBA history, and not only the top 5 but the top 6 is well set. Kareem, Russell, Wilt, Shaq, Hakeem, Moses... these are absolute titans of the game. That top 6 doesn't include ridiculously dominant players like David Robinson... The best center from this era, Dwight Howard, is barely top 10.

    We're talking about extremely select groups, it's not open to anyone.


    Durants part of lebrons generation

    Unless you think the 3 years and 9 months between them is a completely different generation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nowitness
    kawhi tim manu were better.


    Scoring: Parker (#1) Ginobili (#4)
    Assists: Parker (#1) Ginobili (#2)

    Manu had the 10th best FG% ON THE SPURS this season.
    He had the WORST FG% on the team in the playoffs!!! (13th!)

    How is someone considered better than Parker when he's by far one of the worst shooters on your team (and gets even worse in the playoffs)!??!
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    Being a all time great requires both TALENT and ACCOMPLISHMENT. Lack of talent is why Horry was never considered great. Lack of accomplishment hurts players like Melo, Iverson, Barkley.

    C: Center position is locked. Until, we get the next skilled big like Hakeem or size big like Shaq, no one is entering top 5, or top 7-8 for that matter.

    PF: Dirk is on cusp of top 5. Duncan is obviously #1/2 already. Blake has a long way to go, but he has a few years with CP3.

    SF: LeBron is already #2-3. Durant will have a hard time in the west. I don't see OKC winning anything with Duncan playing for another year or two, LeBron in east, CP/Blake in LA, Harden/Dwight in Houston.

    SG: Harden is a long shot. Peopple don't realize how young he is: 24.

    PG: CP3 needs to win a few rings; his play is there, just no rings so far. Irving depending on how many rings he can pickup with LeBron during the next half a decade. There are a lot of young talented PG ranging from Westbrook, Wall, Rose who are all not in deal situations to all-star levels one like Lillard, Curry, Lowry, Bledsoe, Dragic who clearly lack talent, to a varying degree, to be considered a top 5. Parker could get there if he manages to win after Duncan is gone, but his individual accomplishments and level of play has never been there.
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    no one in the nba right now that is not already in the top 5 can break into the top 5 of their position except durant. I believe this person is someone that has yet to come into the nba or maybe one of the rookies drafted this year.

    CP3 is the closest after durant, but i don't think he will make it cuz he won't win shit in the west. I'm pretty sure of that.
    Westbrook gets too much "low BBIQ" crap from the media to even get consideration.
    The rest of the PG's are not transcendent enough for consideration, so unless they win a ton of rings which is pretty unpredictable. They have no chance. Also TP prolly won't ever be considered top 5 just cuz he played second and sometimes third banana on the spurs team for his most of his career.

    SG. Prolly someone who hasn't entered the league or maybe one of the rookies from this year's draft (doubtful though)

    SF. Durant. and a snowball's chance in hell for Melo if NY can miraculously turn the franchise around with a trade or in one season. IMO Melo doesn't even have two seasons to turn around his career. He needs to make a big playoff push this season and win a ring next year to even be considered. Which is pretty much impossible.

    PF. Davis. He has KG's ceiling at least and most would agree KG is in the top 5 PF. I think griffin is already what he is going to be for the rest of his career. I don't think he will ever be a decent midrange shooter. LMA not transcendent enough IMO. Klove will always be a second banana type player IMO. plus hes never going to be a two way player.

    C. Prolly still just a sperm in some dude's ******** yet to be used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noob cake
    Being a all time great requires both TALENT and ACCOMPLISHMENT. Lack of talent is why Horry was never considered great. Lack of accomplishment hurts players like Melo, Iverson, Barkley.

    C: Center position is locked. Until, we get the next skilled big like Hakeem or size big like Shaq, no one is entering top 5, or top 7-8 for that matter.

    PF: Dirk is on cusp of top 5. Duncan is obviously #1/2 already. Blake has a long way to go, but he has a few years with CP3.

    SF: LeBron is already #2-3. Durant will have a hard time in the west. I don't see OKC winning anything with Duncan playing for another year or two, LeBron in east, CP/Blake in LA, Harden/Dwight in Houston.

    SG: Harden is a long shot. Peopple don't realize how young he is: 24.

    PG: CP3 needs to win a few rings; his play is there, just no rings so far. Irving depending on how many rings he can pickup with LeBron during the next half a decade. There are a lot of young talented PG ranging from Westbrook, Wall, Rose who are all not in deal situations to all-star levels one like Lillard, Curry, Lowry, Bledsoe, Dragic who clearly lack talent, to a varying degree, to be considered a top 5. Parker could get there if he manages to win after Duncan is gone, but his individual accomplishments and level of play has never been there.
    How many PGs on the top 5 list won championships without a strong supporting cast? You're saying that a FMVP and being the best player on a championship team isn't enough...that now he has to do it without a good cast? Who are the 5 PGs that did this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bballnoob1192
    no one in the nba right now that is not already in the top 5 can break into the top 5 of their position except durant. I believe this person is someone that has yet to come into the nba or maybe one of the rookies drafted this year.

    CP3 is the closest after durant, but i don't think he will make it cuz he won't win shit in the west. I'm pretty sure of that.
    Westbrook gets too much "low BBIQ" crap from the media to even get consideration.
    The rest of the PG's are not transcendent enough for consideration, so unless they win a ton of rings which is pretty unpredictable. They have no chance. Also TP prolly won't ever be considered top 5 just cuz he played second and sometimes third banana on the spurs team for his most of his career.

    SG. Prolly someone who hasn't entered the league or maybe one of the rookies from this year's draft (doubtful though)

    SF. Durant. and a snowball's chance in hell for Melo if NY can miraculously turn the franchise around with a trade or in one season. IMO Melo doesn't even have two seasons to turn around his career. He needs to make a big playoff push this season and win a ring next year to even be considered. Which is pretty much impossible.

    PF. Davis. He has KG's ceiling at least and most would agree KG is in the top 5 PF. I think griffin is already what he is going to be for the rest of his career. I don't think he will ever be a decent midrange shooter. LMA not transcendent enough IMO. Klove will always be a second banana type player IMO. plus hes never going to be a two way player.

    C. Prolly still just a sperm in some dude's ******** yet to be used.
    How is a FMVP who this year was the only All-Star, top scorer, facilitator, and highest paid player on the Spurs a 2nd/3rd option? What in the hell does this guy have to do? It wasn't enough for him to lead the team in scoring and assists throughout the playoffs? It wasn't enough for him to score more than the FMVP in the Finals?What do you want him to do? Outscore and out-assist and out-rebound everyone by 75% or something? Freaking Russell Westbrook and Chris Paul BOTH had top-3 MVP candidates on their teams THIS SEASON!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ninephive
    How is a FMVP who this year was the only All-Star, top scorer, facilitator, and highest paid player on the Spurs a 2nd/3rd option? What in the hell does this guy have to do? Outscore and out-assist and out-rebound everyone by 75% or something? Freaking Russell Westbrook and Chris Paul BOTH had top-3 MVP candidates on their teams THIS SEASON!
    What I meant was that just like RW "Low BBIQ" stigma BS that is fake. TP''s stigma is having duncan on his team and playing in a Goat basketball system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bballnoob1192
    What I meant was that just like RW "Low BBIQ" stigma BS that is fake. TP''s stigma is having duncan on his team and playing in a Goat basketball system.
    Fair enough...but that's such a catch-22 argument. Every great dynasty could be attributed to a system. Showtime LA with Kareem/Magic/Worthy/Riley, 90's Bulls with MJ/Pippen/PJax, 2000's Lakers with Shaq/Kobe/PJax, Current Spurs with Duncan/Parker/Ginobili/Pop.

    Now, everyone on that list is widely considered a top-50 player or top-5 coach. EXCEPT Parker & Ginobili of course, who are just "system" players. Apparently the Spurs are the only "5 championship" system with only 2 great pieces, Duncan and Pop. Somehow they managed to win 5 freaking titles without more than one top-50 player, something that has never been done before in NBA history and will never be done again....or we can stop being dumb and give Parker (especially) and Ginobili the credit they deserve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ninephive
    Fair enough...but that's such a catch-22 argument. Every great dynasty could be attributed to a system. Showtime LA with Kareem/Magic/Worthy/Riley, 90's Bulls with MJ/Pippen/PJax, 2000's Lakers with Shaq/Kobe/PJax, Current Spurs with Duncan/Parker/Ginobili/Pop.

    Now, everyone on that list is widely considered a top-50 player or top-5 coach. EXCEPT Parker & Ginobili of course, who are just "system" players. Apparently the Spurs are the only "5 championship" system with only 2 great pieces, Duncan and Pop. Somehow they managed to win 5 freaking titles without more than one top-50 player, something that has never been done before in NBA history and will never be done again....or we can stop being dumb and give Parker (especially) and Ginobili the credit they deserve.
    They are the exception that proves the rule?

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