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Re: So Bran needs Wade, Bosh, Irving & Love to try to do more than Kobe did with Pau
Well at it is agreed,
Lebron > Kobe.
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Re: So Bran needs Wade, Bosh, Irving & Love to try to do more than Kobe did with Pau
We gonna forget about Phil Jackson, Bynum, Artest, Fisher, Odom?
Best frontcourt in the league with an average height of 7 feet?
Great Rebounding and rim protection
Artest to guard all the wing scorers
That Lakers roster might be the most underrated in the last decade, was stacked to the brim, but these stans like to just say Kobe + Pau
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Re: So Bran needs Wade, Bosh, Irving & Love to try to do more than Kobe did with Pau
Meh...honestly the 11 through 14 Heat were very similar to the 08 through 11 Lakers.
Lebron at his best was better than Kobe, but Lebron at his worst (2011 finals) was worse than Kobe.
The two teams were pretty similar over that time to be honest outside of 11 when Lebron had a healthy prime Wade and Bosh.
After that? Meh...Bosh played the Odom role and Wade was probably a little better than Gasol (08 through 10) in 2012, but definitely worse in 13 and 14.
Phil is a flat out better coach than Spo as well.
Those 4 years for each guy and team are really similar overall.
3 finals and 2 titles for the Lakers
4 finals and 2 titles for the Heat
1 MVP for Kobe
2 MVP's for Lebron
2 finals MVP's for both
I'd probably say what the Lakers did was a little more impressive overall when you take a step back, but at the same time...the Lakers caught some lucky breaks as well...and the West wasn't a powerhouse back then like it is now either.
And even with all the help Lebron has had the last 4 years...still nothing approaches peak Shaq and Phil.
Kobe made 4 finals and won 3 titles with that.
It's actually good...this next chapter in Lebron's career will be a poor man's replacement for Shaq/Phil like Kobe had.
Kobe's got 7 finals and 5 titles.
Lebron has 5 finals and 2 titles.
Who knows what Lebron's numbers will look like in 5 years.
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Re: So Bran needs Wade, Bosh, Irving & Love to try to do more than Kobe did with Pau
Originally Posted by dubeta
We gonna forget about Phil Jackson, Bynum, Artest, Fisher, Odom?
Best frontcourt in the league with an average height of 7 feet?
Great Rebounding and rim protection
Artest to guard all the wing scorers
That Lakers roster might be the most underrated in the last decade, was stacked to the brim, but these stans like to just say Kobe + Pau
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Re: So Bran needs Wade, Bosh, Irving & Love to try to do more than Kobe did with Pau
And Kobe did it in a much tougher conference. 11 out of the 12 teams he played between 08 and 10 won 50 or more games.
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Re: So Bran needs Wade, Bosh, Irving & Love to try to do more than Kobe did with Pau
Originally Posted by SexSymbol
you really are one big fakkit arent you?
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Re: So Bran needs Wade, Bosh, Irving & Love to try to do more than Kobe did with Pau
Originally Posted by DMAVS41
Meh...honestly the 11 through 14 Heat were very similar to the 08 through 11 Lakers.
Lebron at his best was better than Kobe, but Lebron at his worst (2011 finals) was worse than Kobe.
The two teams were pretty similar over that time to be honest outside of 11 when Lebron had a healthy prime Wade and Bosh.
After that? Meh...Bosh played the Odom role and Wade was probably a little better than Gasol (08 through 10) in 2012, but definitely worse in 13 and 14.
Phil is a flat out better coach than Spo as well.
Those 4 years for each guy and team are really similar overall.
3 finals and 2 titles for the Lakers
4 finals and 2 titles for the Heat
1 MVP for Kobe
2 MVP's for Lebron
2 finals MVP's for both
I'd probably say what the Lakers did was a little more impressive overall when you take a step back, but at the same time...the Lakers caught some lucky breaks as well...and the West wasn't a powerhouse back then like it is now either.
And even with all the help Lebron has had the last 4 years...still nothing approaches peak Shaq and Phil.
Kobe made 4 finals and won 3 titles with that.
It's actually good...this next chapter in Lebron's career will be a poor man's replacement for Shaq/Phil like Kobe had.
Kobe's got 7 finals and 5 titles.
Lebron has 5 finals and 2 titles.
Who knows what Lebron's numbers will look like in 5 years.
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Re: So Bran needs Wade, Bosh, Irving & Love to try to do more than Kobe did with Pau
Originally Posted by Heavincent
And Kobe did it in a much tougher conference. 11 out of the 12 teams he played between 08 and 10 won 50 or more games.
This too.
Lebron also had a teammate make an all star team 8 times during this run..
Kobe had a teammate make the all star team 2 times during this run..
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Re: So Bran needs Wade, Bosh, Irving & Love to try to do more than Kobe did with Pau
Originally Posted by SexSymbol
Not only did he say that idiotic statement but he also mentioned the Lakers "catching some breaks"
But made no mention of D Rose injury & Ray Allen..
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Re: So Bran needs Wade, Bosh, Irving & Love to try to do more than Kobe did with Pau
Let me quote myself:
Teams are built differently now then from 2008-2010, where the only "Superteam" were the Lakers and Celtics.
Every playoff team in the West has 2-3 stars right now.. Look at the Clippers, they're way better than the 2009 Magic who were fed to Kobe in '09, nowadays they're just one of the good teams in the West...
Dirk himself in his Grantland Interview / Dinner with Nash said he doesn't believe his 2006 and 2007 Teams could make it as far as they did today.
Superstars win. From 2008-2010 Kobe was the only Top 5 Player with a capable team... LeBron/Wade/Dirk, Paul the next guys, were all left with mediocre-bad rosters, Howard's had solid shooters. So it was Kobe's for the taking.
His toughest opponent in 2008 (West) would be the Chris Paul Hornets, in 2009 the Carmelo Anthony Nuggets.
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Re: So Bran needs Wade, Bosh, Irving & Love to try to do more than Kobe did with Pau
Originally Posted by TheMarkMadsen
This too.
Lebron also had a teammate make an all star team 8 times during this run..
Kobe had a teammate make the all star team 2 times during this run..
lol how are you gonna use strength of conference against LBJ and then say he had more teammate all-star appearance (w/ and added year tacked on)?
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Re: So Bran needs Wade, Bosh, Irving & Love to try to do more than Kobe did with Pau
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Re: So Bran needs Wade, Bosh, Irving & Love to try to do more than Kobe did with Pau
Originally Posted by ArbitraryWater
Let me quote myself:
Teams are built differently now then from 2008-2010, where the only "Superteam" were the Lakers and Celtics.
Every playoff team in the West has 2-3 stars right now.. Look at the Clippers, they're way better than the 2009 Magic who were fed to Kobe in '09, nowadays they're just one of the good teams in the West...
Dirk himself in his Grantland Interview / Dinner with Nash said he doesn't believe his 2006 and 2007 Teams could make it as far as they did today.
Superstars win. From 2008-2010 Kobe was the only Top 5 Player with a capable team... LeBron/Wade/Dirk, Paul the next guys, were all left with mediocre-bad rosters, Howard's had solid shooters. So it was Kobe's for the taking.
His toughest opponent in 2008 (West) would be the Chris Paul Hornets, in 2009 the Carmelo Anthony Nuggets.
Have no idea why this is always overlooked by Kobe stans when they make this thread. Now, obviously the West from 2008-2010 was tougher than the East now, but the main/legit contenders are built differently with more star power now than 5-7 years ago. The three best teams in the West right now are better than the second best team in the West in 2009 and 2010.
At its core, this is a very simplistic, beaten to death, pointless thread. Kobe's 2008-2010 Laker teams were better than any other team in the NBA save a healthy Celtics team. No other superstar/player capable of leading a team to a championship had a second banana or supporting cast as Kobe had from 2008-2010. Not to mention he had that Phil Jackson as his coach who was an alright coach. This seems to always be shoved aside by Kobe fanboys anytime they do this "Kobe Wins with just Gasol while LeBron needs Wade, Bosh, Love, etc." ignoring the fact that Kobe had arguably the GOAT coach during his post-Shaq championship runs.
Last edited by KG215; 08-10-2014 at 05:50 PM.
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Re: So Bran needs Wade, Bosh, Irving & Love to try to do more than Kobe did with Pau
Originally Posted by ArbitraryWater
Let me quote myself:
Teams are built differently now then from 2008-2010, where the only "Superteam" were the Lakers and Celtics.
Every playoff team in the West has 2-3 stars right now.. Look at the Clippers, they're way better than the 2009 Magic who were fed to Kobe in '09, nowadays they're just one of the good teams in the West...
Dirk himself in his Grantland Interview / Dinner with Nash said he doesn't believe his 2006 and 2007 Teams could make it as far as they did today.
Superstars win. From 2008-2010 Kobe was the only Top 5 Player with a capable team... LeBron/Wade/Dirk, Paul the next guys, were all left with mediocre-bad rosters, Howard's had solid shooters. So it was Kobe's for the taking.
His toughest opponent in 2008 (West) would be the Chris Paul Hornets, in 2009 the Carmelo Anthony Nuggets.
This is such an awful post.
You call the Lakers a super team in 2008 when Kobe was the only all star.
And apparently the Lakers in 09 & 10 are a super team.. Hmm wonder where that is coming from, because they have 2 all stars? Well then I guess..
Suns
Nuggets
Hornets
Detroit
Were super teams in 2008 and that the
Magic
Cavs
Hornets
Suns
Hawks
Mavs
Nuggets
Were all super teams in 09 & 10?
And then to top it off you claim the Hornets & Nuggets were the only 2 competitors to the Lakers?
Way to forget the Spurs (who eliminated the hornets in 08) The Suns & all of the other 50+ win teams out west
Nice try..
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