Lebron has been to the finals more times than Jordan

[Hey Yo]

That's because he kept team hopping!

dumb

Lebron was even fortunate enough to join a team that had Z on it, who was a 2003 all-star healthy as can be having played 81 games. Which player on the bulls was an all-star in 1984 when MJ joined them? No one. How many years did LeBron play with Z? 7 years? Show us the articles that provide the evidence that Lebron was making personal sacrifices and working out with Z outside of practices the way MJ was working with Pippen. With the media much more focused on players during Lebrons first round with the Cavs relative to MJ's time, surely you can find at least one piece of supporting evidence to indicate that Lebron actually gave a damn about helping to develop his 7 year teammate, Z.

Z was 28yrs old when 18yr old James was drafted. It's 6'8 LeBron's job to make 7'3 Ilgauskas a better player? If he didn't give a shit about Z then he would have never pushed for Cleveland to re-sign him. Z wouldn't have went to Miami if he didn't respect LeBron.

GTFO with your retarded shit

Because he was disciplined and wanted to play for his favorite team instead of worrying about being rookie of the year right out of the gate. It worked out perfectly with him retiring after 20 years playing on the same team and winning 5 rings after 7 trips to the finals while playing in the difficult west his entire career. The end result is a player who is more respected and more alpha that Lebron will ever hope to be.

He was a spoiled bitch who had everything givin' to him leading up to the draft. He wanted the easy way by playing for LA and made sure other teams knew he wouldn't sign leading up to draft day.

Kobe, more respected than James???

[egokiller]

Lol hey yo keeps moving his goal post all over the field in an effort to support his dumb logic. First he says that lebron never had a teammate long enough to make better and as soon as I point out a fresh Z who just played 81 games and was an all-star the day lebron became a Cav going on to play 7 years with lebron, he changes his tune. Yes, a rookie of the year should help his teammate. Lebron was the leader of that team the moment he put on a Cavs jersey and the fact that Z is taller means nothing you idiot.



Kobe will always be more respected and more alpha that Lebron because he wasn't a team hopping ring chaser that played in a historically weak conference only to be sitting at 3/7. Pathetic.

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2007 and 2014....

Lebron led teams got MONKEYSTOMPED. End of discussion.

[TheWinningFam]

Kobe will always be more respected and more alpha that Lebron because he wasn't a team hopping ring chaser that played in a historically weak conference only to be sitting at 3/7. Pathetic.

Nobody cares about who you think is respected more lame. You claim to not be a kobetard/have alts but constantly spew the same rhetoric verbatim that other kobetards on this forum say.

at the end of the day 7 total mvps, 50% win clip with wade and superior stats, and every credible source suggesting lebron being the superior player > 3 total mvps 3/8 with prime shaq, and using arbitrary opinions to determine ''being alpha.''

Get over it.

[Hey Yo]

People still saying that dumb shit about Kobe forcing his way to the Lakers?

http://www.lakersnation.com/fact-vs-.../2014/03/06/3/



or

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/l...y-trade-122915



But then when Hey Yo is still repeating his unique narrative that implies MJ didn't have to focus on defense as well as offense, can't expect much from the dude

Using a Lakers site for facts???

http://larrybrownsports.com/basketba...aft-day/265370

I recently watched Showtime’s “Kobe Bryant’s Muse” as well as ESPN’s 30 for 30 “Sole Man” about shoe legend Sonny Vaccaro, and both touched on how Kobe became a Laker.

In the Showtime film, Bryant reveals that the Lakers were his favorite team growing up. He wanted to play for them and be their next star. In “Sole Man,” Vaccaro, who signed Bryant to an endorsement deal with Adidas and was instrumental in Kobe’s jump to the pros, acknowledges that they wanted Kobe to play for the Lakers. He says they even created a rumor that Kobe would go play pro ball in Italy to dissuade teams from drafting him.

“It was my duty to inform people: buyer beware. So I had no compunction about going around telling everybody — especially New Jersey — that the possibility existed that Kobe Bryant might go to Italy … and the New Jersey Nets bit,” Vaccaro says in “Sole Man.”

Bryant’s agent Arn Tellem somewhat says concedes that they manipulated the situation.

“I think what people should understand and respect is that this is a business,” he said. “Most players, when they’re drafted, rarely have the opportunity to have their dreams fulfilled. But we were in a position to do it, so we went for it, and we achieved it. You can’t begrudge anyone for trying to get their career objectives accomplished. Everyone else in this country does that every day of the week.”

or

http://www.espn.com/new-york/nba/col...st=oconnor_ian

Over lunch on draft day, Calipari and Nash told one of the Nets' seven owners, Joe Taub, that Bryant would be a Net in eight hours. Taub preferred John Wallace, the Syracuse senior, and worried that a high school kid might ultimately leave for a bigger market and a better team in free agency.

Only Bryant wasn't about to wait years for his liberation. He called Calipari after the coach's lunch with Taub, and Bryant's agent, Arn Tellem, called Nash. Prospect and agent declared they wanted no part of Jersey; Tellem even threatened that his client would play in Italy if the Nets ignored their wishes.

Nash met with a panicked Calipari and tried to calm the coach. The GM made some phone calls and figured out that the Lakers' Jerry West had reached an agreement with Charlotte, holding the 13th pick, to trade Vlade Divac for Bryant; West was confident that Kobe would make it to No. 13 if the Nets passed at No. 8.

Sneaker maven Sonny Vaccaro would later admit he worked with his good friend, Tellem, to maneuver Bryant to a franchise that would maximize his marketing charms. But Nash thought the Nets should hold firm and call Bryant's bluff.

"Kobe wasn't going to play in Italy, and he had nowhere else to go," Nash said. "But I firmly believe a call from [agent] David Falk, who was representing Kerry Kittles, made the difference."

Nash said Falk leaned hard on Calipari to take his client. As coach and executive VP of basketball operations, Calipari had final say. About 90 minutes before the draft, he told his owners he would select Kittles at No. 8.

Like I said....wanted no part in trying to build a contender. Just wanted the easy way to achieve his goals with Shaq

[egokiller]

Nobody cares about who you think is respected more lame. You claim to not be a kobetard/have alts but constantly spew the same rhetoric verbatim that other kobetards on this forum say.

at the end of the day 7 total mvps, 50% win clip with wade and superior stats, and every credible source suggesting lebron being the superior player > 3 total mvps 3/8 with prime shaq, and using arbitrary opinions to determine ''being alpha.''

Get over it.

LOL 2/4 win clip with wade in a historically weak east and an easy route to the finals yet Spurs and Dallas still busted his ass after going through the tough WCF. Yep, that's a real convincing argument.

Kobe is simply more alpha and always will be.

[TheWinningFam]

LOL 2/4 win clip with wade in a historically weak east and an easy route to the finals yet Spurs and Dallas still busted his ass after going through the tough WCF. Yep, that's a real convincing argument.

Kobe is simply more alpha and always will be.

Only 3 rings in 8 years with prime shaq, and played on rosters so stacked he didn't even start until his 3rd-4th year in the league, The 76ers was a 1 man show, The la-kings series was rigged, and kobe scored 15 ppg on 30% shooting in another. So ''alpha''

The mavs easily swept kobe's back to back lakers in the previous round, without a wade misplay the heat go up 3-1 instead of 2-2.

[egokiller]

Can you imagine Jason Terry styling on a prime Kobe to ice a finals series like he did to Lebron?

[TommyGriffin]

Jason [COLOR="Black"]F[/COLOR]ucking [COLOR="Black"]T[/COLOR]erry. Got Damn.

[Maverick Carter]

Jason [COLOR="Black"]F[/COLOR]ucking [COLOR="Black"]T[/COLOR]erry. Got Damn.

Swept Kobe Bryant in 2011