Who is the greatest clutch player of all time?

[Rasheed1]

Bird...

Reggie....

Mj.....


one of those guys

[SinJackal]

shot down logic by using a website that cites kobe has barely any more game winners than lebron? kys

From the years of '03-'08, he has 14. Can you not read? It very specifically states that it's from 2003-2008. It isn't from 1995-2010. It's Kobe's prime years. Kobe has (supposedly) 17 more game winners in the 9 years outside of his 5 prime years. Nobody has said Kobe only has 14 game winners besides Kobe trolls like yourself who are trying to pretend they did since you want to take attention away from Kobe's 25% FG% when he takes game winners.

I realize your brain processes information slowly, and missed the 5 times I kept pointing that out to you and the other Kobe trolls and were shitting their pants over his 25% shooting of game winning shots from his prime years of '03-'08, So I will bold everything you fools need to stop overlooking before you continue your brainwashed broken record posts that never refute any given arguments. That the list did not include his other game winners are outside of that span of time.

The list was not to claim he only had 14 game winners, it is simply the only source showing the FG% for his game winning shots that is anywhere to be found on the net. It is from '03-'08 to compare Kobe and LeBron's averages in game winning situations, to dispute this very same sort of argument, only between Kobe and LeBron, so they started the years at when LeBron came into the league so Kobe trolls wouldn't say "Kobe has more game winners so he's better". They instead chose years they were both in the league, which happened to also be Kobe's prime 5 years, so it was a completely fair comparison.

The fact remains that he shot only 25% during his prime when taking game winners. He missed more game winners than any other player in the NBA over that span, and in fact did not lead the league in them either.

The definition of a "game winner" that the site used was as follows

Game Winning Shot Opportunity = 24 seconds or less left in the game, team with the ball is either tied or down by 1 to 2 points.


Why use this definition?

With 24 seconds or less, then it truly is a "last possession" situation potentially

With a margin from tied to down 2, the team can take the lead with a made basket (including 3's)

By excluding a down 3 situation, we don't have the "gimme two point buckets" that defenses will sometimes yield to the quick bucket/intentional foul strategy option you often see exercised.

So they only count baskets that put the team ahead while they were tied or down with less than 24 seconds left on the clock. Kobe shot 25% in these situations during his prime.

So as it stands, you and the rest of the Kobe trolls have said nothing to refute any of this. Kobe clearly choked when taking game winning shots during his prime. Nobody is disputing that Kobe has 31 game winners (even though it's counting shots he made with almost a minute left on the clock -_- ..), it's the fact that he has so many because he takes more than anyone else in the NBA, and thus, even though he has a ton of game winners, has a low FG% when taking them.


You kids need to wrap your stupid minds around this and get it over with.

If you cannot refute that Kobe has a low FG% with actual stats, then you've lost and are doing nothing but trolling.

[DuMa]

MJ
Reggie
Bird
West