Micheal Jordan vs Sonics defense 1996 finals

[thelucifer69]

Celtics?

Anyway, those Sonics weren't as good as 08 Celtics.

Watch 2008 Finals series Ray Allen or whoever they are, barely touch Kobe.

[inclinerator]

ppl bashing the current players, you think they wont be able to adjust? the defense in the 2010 finals are like this too

[gengiskhan]

What about his defensive impact? What about knowing when and where to give MJ the ball, setting up the rest of the team for easier shots and being more or less a secondary coach on the floor on both ends? You can't just look at fg% to judge how Pippen played.

He averaged more rebounds (by 3!), more assists, more steals and more blocks than MJ did in the 96 Finals. Don't write him off like he was nothing.

He didn't shoot well, but he did everything else.
Game 1 -- 21, 7, 3, 3, 3
Game 2 -- 21, 7, 2, 2, 2
Game 3 -- 12, 8, 9, 3, 0
Game 4 -- 9, 11, 8, 1, 2
Game 5 -- 14, 8, 5, 1, 1
Game 6 -- 17, 8, 5, 4, 0

Look at how well rounded those numbers are. 3 steals and 3 blocks in Game One. 8 rebounds, 9 assists and 3 steals in Game Three. 11 rebounds and 8 assists in Game Four. 8 rebounds and 4 steals in Game Five. Not to mention the defensive impact...

Totally disagree.

Here are the reasons

A number 2, all-time great, Top 5 players of 1996 cannot ave 15.6 ppg in NBA Finals & expect it to be called a winning contribution

For a # 3 option, 15.6 is very good. For # 2, Pippen's stats are poor. Pippen should've ave 20-22 ppg to say he had a "good" series, 23-24 ppg would've been a "great" series as # 2


If you tell me at the begining, # 1 option will score 27 ppg & #2 option will score 15 ppg, I'd immediately tell you that team will loose NBA Finals in 5-6 games.

no matter what you do defensively & rebounding wise, a great player still needs to put up atleast 20 ppg in the Finals if he is top 2 players of the team.

You'll loose Finals for not putting up enough pts on the board

Kukoc, rodman, Kerr really saved Pippen in this Finals. MJ did not put enoug pts to help pippen out.

This was one tough fought Finals for this reason alone.

[Da_Realist]

Totally disagree.

Here are the reasons

A number 2, all-time great, Top 5 players of 1996 cannot ave 15.6 ppg in NBA Finals & expect it to be called a winning contribution

For a # 3 option, 15.6 is very good. For # 2, Pippen's stats are poor. Pippen should've ave 20-22 ppg to say he had a "good" series, 23-24 ppg would've been a "great" series as # 2


If you tell me at the begining, # 1 option will score 27 ppg & #2 option will score 15 ppg, I'd immediately tell you that team will loose NBA Finals in 5-6 games.

no matter what you do defensively & rebounding wise, a great player still needs to put up atleast 20 ppg in the Finals if he is top 2 players of the team.

You'll loose Finals for not putting up enough pts on the board

Kukoc, rodman, Kerr really saved Pippen in this Finals. MJ did not put enoug pts to help pippen out.

This was one tough fought Finals for this reason alone.

But they won. In 6 games. Scoring didn't win this series, defense and rebounding did.

[Calabis]

[QUOTE=Ne 1]Seattle coach George Karl said,

[Da_Realist]

So he played like ur hero, yet somehow u think he deserved his two MVPs

Ouch

[Rendezvous32]

.....08 Celtics don't have Payton on the perimeter either...kobe always struggled against 2000's sonics....

Yeah that's why he broke the NBA record for 3's in a game against them.

[Doranku]

Totally disagree.

Here are the reasons

A number 2, all-time great, Top 5 players of 1996 cannot ave 15.6 ppg in NBA Finals & expect it to be called a winning contribution

For a # 3 option, 15.6 is very good. For # 2, Pippen's stats are poor. Pippen should've ave 20-22 ppg to say he had a "good" series, 23-24 ppg would've been a "great" series as # 2


If you tell me at the begining, # 1 option will score 27 ppg & #2 option will score 15 ppg, I'd immediately tell you that team will loose NBA Finals in 5-6 games.

no matter what you do defensively & rebounding wise, a great player still needs to put up atleast 20 ppg in the Finals if he is top 2 players of the team.

You'll loose Finals for not putting up enough pts on the board

Kukoc, rodman, Kerr really saved Pippen in this Finals. MJ did not put enoug pts to help pippen out.

This was one tough fought Finals for this reason alone.

So Pippen doesn't even deserve to have his performance called a "winning contribution" for averaging 15 ppg while MJ averaged 27 ppg, but Gasol deserves the Finals MVP for averaging 18 ppg while Kobe averaged 28 ppg?

[Deuce Bigalow]

So he played like ur hero, yet somehow u think he deserved his two MVPs

You talking about 2009 and 2010?

2009 Finals
32.4 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 7.4 apg

5th player to average a 30-5-5 Finals series
First player since Jerry West in '69 to put up 32 and 7 in a Finals series

2010 Finals
28.6 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 3.9 apg

Most rebounds by a guard in a Finals series since '91
higher ppg, rpg, spg, bpg than Jordan in '96

[bwink23]

Yeah that's why he broke the NBA record for 3's in a game against them.

Payton wasn't guarding him...and that's ONE game....

[bwink23]

You talking about 2009 and 2010?

2009 Finals
32.4 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 7.4 apg

5th player to average a 30-5-5 Finals series
First player since Jerry West in '69 to put up 32 and 7 in a Finals series

2010 Finals
28.6 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 3.9 apg



Most rebounds by a guard in a Finals series since '91
higher ppg, rpg, spg, bpg than Jordan in '96

Which Jordan did if you round up, but BETTER:

1991 NBA Finals

32 and 11.......or 31.6 and 11.2 if you want to be technical...

[gengiskhan]

So Pippen doesn't even deserve to have his performance called a "winning contribution" for averaging 15 ppg while MJ averaged 27 ppg, but Gasol deserves the Finals MVP for averaging 18 ppg while Kobe averaged 28 ppg?

Please do not compare Kobe led lakers in garbage era to Golden '90s era of the NBA.

Kobe, Gasol never faced runner-up MVP + NBA DPOY & 64 games winning team in NBA Finals like 1996 Sonics.

If they ever did. Peyton's extreme physical Defense alone would've reduced prime peak kobe to 20-21 ppg scorer in NBA Finals.

no need to even bring kobe's 28 ppg finals performance against non-mvp, non-runnerup-mvp, non-dpoy lead finalists.

Its the opposition that decides how they wanna play you. & Sonics terrific D held MJ to 27 ppgs.

Pippen needed to ave 20 ppgs as 2nd best here more than any other finals.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Which Jordan did if you round up, but BETTER:

1991 NBA Finals

32 and 11.......or 31.6 and 11.2 if you want to be technical...

31.6 ppg doesn't equal 32

[bwink23]

31.6 ppg doesn't equal 32

[Deuce Bigalow]

why u so mad?