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    Default Larry Bird, Bill Walton and the perpendicular pick and roll

    Saw this compilation of Bird and Walton playing off each other.
    It has a lot of examples of a move I heard Bird talk about once in an interview, but didn't remember seeing.

    The normal pick and roll has the pick coming from the left or right of the defender. 180 degrees let's say.

    This one is not left/right. It's forward and back, the pick is behind the defender. 90 degrees from the standard pick and roll if you will.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YJsDaDcFZM#t=161
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YJsDaDcFZM#t=224

    Bird said no one could really stop this move. And it worked because Walton was such a great passer and had great vision. Walton would post up and Bird would pass it to him down low. Bird would then go right at Walton and at the last minute go either right of left depending on how the defender was following him. Walton would be able to find him either way.

    Is there a name for this perpendicular pick and roll?

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    Default Re: Larry Bird, Bill Walton and the perpendicular pick and roll

    Also check out the non-bounce pass between the legs.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YJsDaDcFZM#t=317

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    Default Re: Larry Bird, Bill Walton and the perpendicular pick and roll

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinNYC
    Also check out the non-bounce pass between the legs.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YJsDaDcFZM#t=317
    Good article on how Walton approached the Celtics with the idea of being a backup. Includes this which I never heard before, Bird was thinking of sitting out 1986 due to his back!


    Boston had combined the greatest passing center with the greatest passing forward in the game. The result was an exhibition of ball movement and team play, led by Walton and Bird, that left the rest of the NBA in the dust.

    They roared out on a winning tear that converted doubters at every stop. "Right now, there's no doubt that Boston is a much better team," Magic Johnson said in February 1986 after the Celtics beat the Los Angeles Lakers in the Forum to extend their record to 41-9. On their way to a club-record 67-15 season, the Celtics would post a winning record against every team in the league.

    Few people foresaw this amazing turnaround, including Bird, who had contemplated sitting out the 1986 season because of back pain. But the acquisition of Walton and guard Jerry Sichting from Indiana had convinced him it would be wise to hang around and see how things turned out. His reward was the kind of season that even superstars dream about. He averaged 25.8 points and nearly seven assists, two steals and 10 rebounds. He shot .423 from three-point range and finished first in the league in free-throw percentage. For the second consecutive season, Bird broke the 2,000-point mark. And he finished the year with 10 triple-doubles.

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    Default Re: Larry Bird, Bill Walton and the perpendicular pick and roll

    Walton was such a great passer.

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    Default Re: Larry Bird, Bill Walton and the perpendicular pick and roll

    Thanks for this; even though the trolling on this forum occasionally results in high humor (not surprising due to the massive amount of it), posts like these are the reason I still check out the forum lately.

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    Default Re: Larry Bird, Bill Walton and the perpendicular pick and roll

    Beautiful, simply beautiful

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    Default Re: Larry Bird, Bill Walton and the perpendicular pick and roll

    Sixers used to do this a lot with Wilt as well, where he would act as the passer and screener.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngg3owcJl1g&t=2m48s


    Typically it would be a handoff pass but he could hit the cutters as well as anyone from all angles.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lnu5vMfPtbw&t=2m32s


    Below we can see two fake passes followed by a power move to the basket, drawing four defenders and finding an open Billy Cunningham.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0faQ-6RJyA&t=3m37s

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    Default Re: Larry Bird, Bill Walton and the perpendicular pick and roll

    This play works 99% of the time at the park. I love to play in the post, and I'm always telling guys to post and cut for easy buckets. They key is the bigman on the post has to have good hands, good footwork, good court-vision and passing skills.

    My favorite way to run the play is to flash to the high post, reverse-pivot on the catch so I'm now faced-up in the triple threat, then use my butt to screen my teammates defender as my teammate slashes to the paint. At that point I have the option to bounce-pass or lob to my teammate, shoot the jumper, or fake the pass/shot and drive the lane. Easily the most powerful position on the court.

    Unfortunately it's not as effective against a zone, which is why I said it's mostly effective at the park. I coach HS basketball and we play almost exclusively against zone defenses. While I still emphasize the high-post pass against the zone defense, it's designed to open up the court for shooters and slashers, not necessarily for screeners or cutters.

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    Default Re: Larry Bird, Bill Walton and the perpendicular pick and roll

    Quote Originally Posted by PHILA
    Sixers used to do this a lot with Wilt as well, where he would act as the passer and screener.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngg3owcJl1g&t=2m48s


    Typically it would be a handoff pass but he could hit the cutters as well as anyone from all angles.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lnu5vMfPtbw&t=2m32s

    Below we can see two fake passes followed by a power move to the basket, drawing four defenders and finding an open Billy Cunningham.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0faQ-6RJyA&t=3m37s
    Seems different than the two man game Walton and Bird were running.

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    That play was very hard to guard... Walton's arguably the GOAT passing center, could score from down-low, high IQ player, strong with the pick; then you had Bird who was tall, terrific passer, highly intelligent, could shoot it or go for the layup...

    They got many buckets running that play.
    Many options to score when you think about it, but that "way" was beautiful to watch.


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    Default Re: Larry Bird, Bill Walton and the perpendicular pick and roll

    Wow, an actual post on here worth reading that doesn't contain the typical bran stan nonsense. Would read again.

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    Default Re: Larry Bird, Bill Walton and the perpendicular pick and roll

    Quote Originally Posted by DatAsh
    Walton was such a great passer.
    Absolutely. That is why he was still effective after his leg problems.

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    Default Re: Larry Bird, Bill Walton and the perpendicular pick and roll

    Walton and Bird.

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    Default Re: Larry Bird, Bill Walton and the perpendicular pick and roll

    .Bill may not have been the dominate scorer that KAJ, Wilt and Shaq were, but I would rather watch his teams play than anyone else. Always great ball movement and it was beautiful to watch.

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