Let me Get this Out of the Way now - if Kobe wins 7 TItles

[niko]

HE STILL IS NOT BETTER THAN JORDAN.

Period. Please please stop.

[niko]

Yes, its assumptions on top of presumptions on top of hopes and prayers but i don't want to hear it.

[Legends66NBA7]

Obviously.

niko, who's the girl in your avatar ?

[Hittin_Shots]

Come on if he gets carried to another ring that obviously makes him better than he is, that's just how it is.

[Legends66NBA7]

Yes, its assumptions on top of presumptions on top of hopes and prayers but i don't want to hear it.

I think people have seen enough of the two to know the difference between both players and their careers to know even ring counting won't make it a closer debate than it really is.

[The Choken One]

Agreed.

but he would definitely be in the same tier as Magic/Bird/KAJ... so I'd have him somewhere from 2-5 or so.

[ispin69]

Shaq was alpha dog when they won those 3.
Kobe only has 2 as alpha dog.

If Dwight comes and they win, who's the better player? Kobe on the DECLINE or young and rising Howard who won defensive player of the year? Kobe couldn't win the last two season with Bynum AND Gasol. If they win, it's Dwight as alpha dog.

[BlackVVaves]

Agreed.

But, he'll move past Duncan and possibly even Bird on the All Time chart. And make it extremely hard for Bron to catch him, since every year he wins one more ring is another year Bron doesn't.

But, these kind of threads have to stop. I'm assuming the basis of this is Howard going to the Lakers. A season and playoffs have to be completed first, and let's not even address the fact that we don't know how close or far the trade is from happening.

Everyone just needs to chiiiiiiillllllllll.

[TMT]

I definitely agree.

But if Lebron fails to win 5 will people say he's no where close to Jordan? No.

[NumberSix]

7 championships:

Shaq - 3 FMVPs
Kobe - 2 FMVPs
Dwight - 2 FMVPs

Kobe with 2 out of 7. 5 time NON-FMVP

[LA_Showtime]

He would be in the discussion for GOAT but obviously anyone who's a legitimate fan and not a moron would know he doesn't belong in that tier. His career, however, would arguably be one of the best of all time. 7 championships and countless finals appearances would mean a lot.

[Hittin_Shots]

Shaq was alpha dog when they won those 3.
Kobe only has 2 as alpha dog.

If Dwight comes and they win, who's the better player? Kobe on the DECLINE or young and rising Howard who won defensive player of the year? Kobe couldn't win the last two season with Bynum AND Gasol. If they win, it's Dwight as alpha dog.

Dwight on boards will give Kobe even more incentive to chuck, chucking = scoring, the Kobe stans will be out in force to say kobe's scoring was the alpha factor.

[DuMa]

lets not cater to the kobe trolls. we should be acting like they dont even exist. bad niko. bad

[The Choken One]

7 championships:

Shaq - 3 FMVPs
Kobe - 2 FMVPs
Dwight - 2 FMVPs

Kobe with 2 out of 7. 5 time NON-FMVP

You're pretty good at math bro. I'm impressed.

[LA_Showtime]

lets not cater to the kobe trolls. we should be acting like they dont even exist. bad niko. bad

This is funny coming from one of the biggest douche bags on this site. There are like two Kobe fans who have ever claimed he is better than Jordan. I swear there are more nut jobs like you who bitch and moan than there are Kobe stans.