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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
How is this not garbage..... compared to what Bird did?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WWvipNiz6Xc
If that slow, basic skillset can dominate today's game, what would the greatest combo shooter/passer/rebounder of all-time do?
It seems like today's game is built for bigs to be more than just bigs, i.e. shoot (Jokic), pass (bran, jokic)... Doesn't that benefit the original and goat stretch 4 more than anyone else?..
so 35/10/10 for peak Bird in today's game?.. ..
and as the best combo shooter/passer/rebounder ever, and an original stretch 4 brand that improved teams as much as anyone in history, bird could be goat
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NBA Legend
Re: How is this not garbage..... compared to what Bird did?
Jokic > any big man passer from the 80s/90s. He's on another level than those cavemen from back then.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: How is this not garbage..... compared to what Bird did?
Originally Posted by FKAri
Jokic > any big man passer from the 80s/90s. He's on another level than those cavemen from back then.
Spacing makes today's passing beginner-level versus the advanced passing required of unspaced floors
In today's game, it's standard for players and coaches to get irate when another player ruins spacing with bad positioning.. so its a huge crutch and they'd be lost in prior eras
They'd have to grow up all over again without spacing to hardwire the instinct and talent that previous eras had
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Le11th
Re: How is this not garbage..... compared to what Bird did?
Lol at attacking Jokic one of the highest IQ and most skilled players in todays game.
Not backing this one bud.
The way Jokic mixes up destroying defenses with a combination of passing and scoring is absolutely masterful.
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NBA Legend
Re: How is this not garbage..... compared to what Bird did?
Jokic is already a better passer and rebounder than MJ ever was
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SexLand
Re: How is this not garbage..... compared to what Bird did?
Why did the Lakers lose to the Cavaliers yesterday?
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: How is this not garbage..... compared to what Bird did?
Originally Posted by AirBonner
Jokic is already a better passer and rebounder than MJ ever was
Even if true, it doesn't matter
Is jokic a better passer than bird, answer that..
Today's passing is frequently where someone stands stationary with the ball for a few seconds, and then hits a cutter that flashed to the wide open spot, or a shooter for a three, or some spaced-out backdoor.... That doesn't compare to the passing required on unspaced floors
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NBA Legend
Re: How is this not garbage..... compared to what Bird did?
Originally Posted by 3ball
Spacing makes today's passing beginner-level versus the advanced passing required of unspaced floors
In today's game, it's standard for players and coaches to get irate when another player ruins spacing with bad positioning.. so its a huge crutch and they'd be lost in prior eras
They'd have to grow up all over again without spacing to hardwire the instinct and talent that previous eras had
Passing vs a zone is definitely harder than passing vs man-to-man D for a big man. Have you ever played basketball beyond your driveway?
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Re: How is this not garbage..... compared to what Bird did?
Why was 4 rebounds and 2 assists enough for Jordan to win in 1998?
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SexLand
Re: How is this not garbage..... compared to what Bird did?
3ball probably ducking my question because no one has uploaded Chris Broussard’s comments to Youtube yet.
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Gif-ted
Re: How is this not garbage..... compared to what Bird did?
So why can't Ingraham dominate.
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Le11th
Re: How is this not garbage..... compared to what Bird did?
Originally Posted by bigkingsfan
So why can't Ingraham dominate.
Ingraham is probably the funniest thing I've read on ISH
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: How is this not garbage..... compared to what Bird did?
Originally Posted by FKAri
Passing vs a zone is definitely harder than passing vs man-to-man D for a big man. Have you ever played basketball beyond your driveway?
No zone allowed in the paint* and spacing >>>> zone outside the paint
* defenders must stay within "armslength" of offensive players inside the paint, the exact opposite of a zone, and the strictest defense possible other than asking defenders to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with their man..
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3-time NBA All-Star
Re: How is this not garbage..... compared to what Bird did?
Originally Posted by 3ball
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WWvipNiz6Xc
If that slow, basic skillset can dominate today's game, what would the greatest combo shooter/passer/rebounder of all-time do?
It seems like today's game is built for bigs to be more than just bigs, i.e. shoot (Jokic), pass (bran, jokic)... Doesn't that benefit the original and goat stretch 4 more than anyone else?..
so 35/10/10 for peak Bird in today's game?.. ..
and as the best combo shooter/passer/rebounder ever, and an original stretch 4 brand that improved teams as much as anyone in history, bird could be goat
Jokic > Bird
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NBA lottery pick
Re: How is this not garbage..... compared to what Bird did?
3:11 is so clearly an offensive foul
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