Depressing Kyrie Irving stat

[moongaze]

Smh. Kyrie is the most underrated and unappreciated player in the NBA . people on here were still ranking him below lillard after he dropped 55 on Portland and had a better shooting year and numbers

People just love to discredit him.

[NBASTATMAN]

WOW .. Irving is a very talented scorer but he doesn't make anyone better and he has lost most of the battles with the top pt guards this season. But he did have surgery and that has hurt him.. He is perfect playing along side Lebron.. But as today showed you the Cavs suck without Lebron...


ANYONE KNOW THE CAVS RECORD WITH LEBRON THE LAST TWO SEASONS?

[raprap]

double doubles or triple doubles are not an indication of player's greatness.
Irving's strong suit is his scoring.
And he's a considerably better player than Wall

Another gem from this idiot

[BigMacAttack]

Kyrie is just a flashy ballhog. Very talented but he aint bout that life.

[BigMacAttack]

Smh. Kyrie is the most underrated and unappreciated player in the NBA . people on here were still ranking him below lillard after he dropped 55 on Portland and had a better shooting year and numbers

People just love to discredit him.

Lillard is leading a shit team to the playoffs in the west. I would take him over Kyrie comfortably.

[moongaze]

They obviously can't be shit if they're a playoff contender
Kyries second leading scorer on his cavs teams was Dion waiters. Let that sink in for a moment. I'll give lillard the nod this year over post surgery kyrie but not last year and career wise .

Plus its not that kyrie is a ball Hog he's just more of a scoring and penetrating one similar to a prime Tony Parker
And if you look at parker and Irving's assist numbers through the years they are similar yet no one calls tony a ball hog and he's been the point guard for one of the best passing teams and efficient offenses for years. Im not sure why people would hate on a guy that brings as much excitement and showmanship for viewers as kyrie does.

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Wow @ this thread.

[BigMacAttack]

They obviously can't be shit if they're a playoff contender
Kyries second leading scorer on his cavs teams was Dion waiters. Let that sink in for a moment. I'll give lillard the nod this year over post surgery kyrie but not last year and career wise .

Plus its not that kyrie is a ball Hog he's just more of a scoring and penetrating one similar to a prime Tony Parker
And if you look at parker and Irving's assist numbers through the years they are similar yet no one calls tony a ball hog and he's been the point guard for one of the best passing teams and efficient offenses for years. Im not sure why people would hate on a guy that brings as much excitement and showmanship for viewers as kyrie does.

He is a hog bruh. Its about more than just his assist numbers, forget the boxscore and watch the games. The guy is on a good team now and he regularly goes 1v2 or 1v3 or worse when he has teammates with a much better shot available.

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Comparing the situations of John Wall and Kyrie Irving would be the very first place to start.

Walls' team is/was built around him....(big men ready to catch the drop off pass from Walls' penetration and finish around the rim + TRUE PG OF THE TEAM)



Kyries' team is built around Lebron....(SF's capable of making jumpshots with the type of bigs that are only obliged to rebounding + demoted to SG of the Cavs due to Bron's "point forward" position)

[STATUTORY]

Lebron ruined him

[Collie]

For a "scorer", Kyrie isn't even that much better than guys like Wall, if at all.

Nike really dropped the ball with Kyrie as one of their new faces. Not saying he's bad, but 20-4-5 averages with average defense doesn't really scream "face of the league" to me when guys like Kawhi don't even have their own shoe yet.

[Milbuck]

Comparing the situations of John Wall and Kyrie Irving would be the very first place to start.

Walls' team is/was built around him....(big men ready to catch the drop off pass from Walls' penetration and finish around the rim + TRUE PG OF THE TEAM)



Kyries' team is built around Lebron....(SF's capable of making jumpshots with the type of bigs that are only obliged to rebounding + demoted to SG of the Cavs due to Bron's "point forward" position)

The Wizards are "built around" Wall only in that they have extremely mediocre talent with no other reliable playmakers, and therefore rely on him to run everything.

The Cavs are built around Lebron as a point forward because his ability to run an offense absolutely shits on Kyrie. The Cavs regularly turn into a dumpster fire heroball show when Lebron is out. If you're relying on Kyrie to run your team as a point guard, your team is not going to be very good.

Kyrie has literally the perfect team to hide his weaknesses and highlight his strengths. He gets to score in bunches while an actual offense-runner in Lebron tackles the vast majority of playmaking responsibilities. He has very good to great perimeter defenders in Delly, JR, Shump to take on the bulk of defensive responsibility. Literally all Kyrie has to do is score without totally breaking the offense, occasionally playmake, and not be a total liability defensively...which even that he can't do at a winning level right now.

Wall has to be his team's leading scorer, has to run literally everything offensively as the playmaker/ball handler, has to do be a terrific perimeter defender, and has to control the tempo/flow of the game every second. He doesn't have anyone to hide his ass in any facet of the game like Kyrie does. Try to imagine how the Wizards would look if Wall had Durant to help with Wall's weaknesses as a pure scorer the way Kyrie has Lebron to hide his weaknesses as a true PG. Then maybe replace Beal with a star PF like LMA.

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For a "scorer", Kyrie isn't even that much better than guys like Wall, if at all.

Nike really dropped the ball with Kyrie as one of their new faces. Not saying he's bad, but 20-4-5 averages with average defense doesn't really scream "face of the league" to me when guys like Kawhi don't even have their own shoe yet.

Because it would be near impossible to market kawhi..

Kyrie is all flash uncle drew etc and all the casual bandwagon tards tune in to watch cavs games..

[Bosnian Sajo]

double doubles or triple doubles are not an indication of player's greatness.
Irving's strong suit is his scoring.
And he's a considerably better player than Wall

I don't consider him better than Wall. He has better handles than Wall, that's it. Wall is a better scorer, passer defender, and leader. Which isn't a bad thing either, it's not bad to be right behind someone as good as John Wall, top 2 pg's in the East.

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The Wizards are "built around" Wall only in that they have extremely mediocre talent with no other reliable playmakers, and therefore rely on him to run everything.

The Cavs are built around Lebron as a point forward because his ability to run an offense absolutely shits on Kyrie. The Cavs regularly turn into a dumpster fire heroball show when Lebron is out. If you're relying on Kyrie to run your team as a point guard, your team is not going to be very good.

Kyrie has literally the perfect team to hide his weaknesses and highlight his strengths. He gets to score in bunches while an actual offense-runner in Lebron tackles the vast majority of playmaking responsibilities. He has very good to great perimeter defenders in Delly, JR, Shump to take on the bulk of defensive responsibility. Literally all Kyrie has to do is score without totally breaking the offense, occasionally playmake, and not be a total liability defensively...which even that he can't do at a winning level right now.

Wall has to be his team's leading scorer, has to run literally everything offensively as the playmaker/ball handler, has to do be a terrific perimeter defender, and has to control the tempo/flow of the game every second. He doesn't have anyone to hide his ass in any facet of the game like Kyrie does. Try to imagine how the Wizards would look if Wall had Durant to help with Wall's weaknesses as a pure scorer the way Kyrie has Lebron to hide his weaknesses as a true PG. Then maybe replace Beal with a star PF like LMA.

Gortat is mediocre? The same Gortat that was in the finals in 2009? That dude can play. Fall back