When did Lebron elevate a team of unestablished/young players to a championship?

[3ball]

He can ONLY win with established vets because his style of turning teammates into spot-up shooters doesn't develop players or teamwork.

So the Nash/CP3/Lebron skillset is indeed flawed because it's poor for player and team development, which is why it mostly loses to the Spurs and Warriors' organic brand of ball-movement.

This ball movement brand is the tried-and-true best way to maximize a team, but it requires players to incorporate a different skillset.. The star must frequently not touch the ball, while teammates move the ball and establish themselves as threats - only when the team needs a momentum boost or to break a momentary lull/stalemate does the star step in and assert their dominance..

Unfortunately, guys like Nash, CP3, and Lebron can't play this way because they lack an adequate skillset to score or assist quickly in the midst of the ball moving... So they must dominate the ball to produce, which puts a lower ceiling on their teams.. This is why I rank players like Nash, CP3, and Lebron behind guys like MJ, Bird, and Kobe (the top 3 perimeter players of all time)

[Ca$H]

He can ONLY win with established vets because his style of turning teammates into spot-up shooters doesn't develop players or teamwork.

So the Nash/CP3/Lebron skillset is indeed flawed because it's poor for player and team development, which is why it mostly loses to the Spurs and Warriors' organic brand of ball-movement.

This ball movement brand is the tried-and-true best way to maximize a team, but it requires players to incorporate a different skillset.. The star must frequently not touch the ball, while teammates move the ball and establish themselves as threats - only when the team needs a momentum boost or to break a momentary lull/stalemate does the star step in and assert their dominance..

Unfortunately, guys like Nash, CP3, and Lebron can't play this way because they lack an adequate skillset to score or assist quickly in the midst of the ball
moving... So they must dominate the ball to produce, which puts a lower ceiling on their teams.. This is why I rank players like Nash, CP3, and Lebron behind guys like MJ, Bird, and Kobe (the top 3 perimeter players of all time)

Great post. Curry won with Dray and Klay who were the 11th and 35th picks. Both were young and unestablished.

[3ball]

Great post. Curry won with Dray and Klay who were the 11th and 35th picks. Both were young and unestablished.

Yup, that's why Curry > Harden, Westbrook, CP3, maybe Bron depending how you look at it

[tpols]

i wouldnt include nash in there because he actually elevated everybody...

and they were young amare was a baby when he joined the suns, instantly elevated to all NBA caliber, 30 ppg player in the playoffs.

nash's offenses never sputtered in the playoffs...if anything their defense did, but they just lost close.

[sdot_thadon]

When did anyone else elevate a cast like the 07 Cavs to the finals?




oh the 2018 cavs......

[NBAGOAT]

Cp3 and Blake didn

[Real14]

When did anyone else elevate a cast like the 07 Cavs to the finals?




oh the 2018 cavs......

2001 sixers.

[NBAGOAT]

2001 sixers.

03 spurs were worse imo

[Manny98]

2001 sixers.

AI had the best defensive player in the NBA as his sidekick

LeBron had a bunch of garbage cans in 07 & 18

[AlternativeAcc.]

Great post. Curry won with Dray and Klay who were the 11th and 35th picks. Both were young and unestablished.

Klay and Dray have carried Curry all these years, not the other way around.

This his been proven with time. Dray and Klay were always more important to the Warriors success than Curry.

[3ball]

I wouldnt include nash in there because he actually elevated everybody...

and they were young amare was a baby when he joined the suns, instantly elevated to all NBA caliber, 30 ppg player in the playoffs.

nash's offenses never sputtered in the playoffs...[COLOR="black"]if anything their defense did, but they just lost close[/COLOR]

Nash did well but he never elevated an unestablished cast to a championship in his career, similar to Lebron, Harden, Westbrook, and other ball-dominators.. It's unfortunate because they could all win a ring if they teamed up a bunch like Bron did, but they'd similarly have weak Finals records..

Otoh, guys like Duncan, Curry, MJ, Shaq, Kobe, KD, Kawhi, Pierce and Dirk have basically all the rings in the last 30 years

And btw, Nash's team defense sputtered more than the opponent's because it's harder to guard ball movement than a primary ball-handler.. that's why Curry had 70-win juggernauts and Nash had teams equal to Lebron's pre-collude years

[sdot_thadon]

2001 sixers.

little known fact was the 2001 sixers had the dpoy and the 6th man of the year; 3 allstars although one went down 2nd half of the year iirc. So i sorta disagre there. Ai didn't have much help scoring but he had good teammates.

[sdot_thadon]

Also I gather Op is also denigrating guys like Magic and Stockton who we pretty similar to guys like Nash/Cp3. Stockton put up the least shots of his own of that bunch but in prime years these guys were all neck and neck in usage.

[SouBeachTalents]

Nash did well but he never elevated an unestablished cast to a championship in his career, similar to Lebron, Harden, Westbrook, and other ball-dominators.. It's unfortunate because they could all win a ring if they teamed up a bunch like Bron did, but they'd similarly have weak Finals records..

Otoh, guys like Duncan, Curry, MJ, Shaq, Kobe, KD, Kawhi, Pierce and Dirk have basically all the rings in the last 30 years

And btw, his defense sputtered more than the opponent's because it's harder to guard ball movement than a primary ball-handler.. that's why Curry had 70-win juggernauts and Nash had teams equal to Lebron's pre-collude years

Lists Pierce & Dirk as having "all" the rings when they have one each

Ditto Kawhi & Durant with 2, although they obviously still have time to win more

[sdot_thadon]

Lists Pierce & Dirk as having "all" the rings when they have one each

Ditto Kawhi & Durant with 2, although they obviously still have time to win more

not to mention Kawhi being the 3rd or 4th option for his 1st one.....