Seems like most players in the 80's/90's shot 45-50% from midrange

[3ball]

Let's take Magic Johnson - he attempted 12.1 two-pointers per game for his career at 54.1%... If we "remove" his at-rim shots from this percentage, we can arrive at his midrange percentage.

So let's take the most conservative numbers possible to establish a "floor" for his midrange percentage.. Let's assume that Magic takes 35% of his shots at the rim at 70% field goal percentage (these are Lebron's league-leading levels).. So the remaining 65% of his shots are midrange at "X" percentage... Here's the simple formula - solve for "X" below:

0.35(70%) + 0.65(X) = 54.1% overall 2-pt field goal %

X = 45.53% .... This is Magic's lowest possible midrange percentage, under the very conservative assumptions that 35% of his shots are at-rim shots at a 70% clip (these are Lebron's league-leading levels).

I would imagine the calculation is similar for most players in previous eras.. Btw, if we just look at Magic's game, we can see he had elite midrange touch and repertoire, like most players back then:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CWHaJoNjeI&t=4m15s
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[kshutts1]

This is one of the laziest, more stupid, posts you have ever made.

Title says "most players". You mention literally just one player.
You're generally a stats-geek (made up or not), and in this you post theories and approximations.

Who let you out of the padded room today?

[sdot_thadon]

Let's take Magic Johnson - he attempted 12.1 two-pointers per game for his career at 54.1%... If we "remove" his at-rim shots from this percentage, we can arrive at his midrange percentage.

So let's take the most conservative numbers possible to establish a "floor" for his midrange percentage.. Let's assume that Magic takes 35% of his shots at the rim at 70% field goal percentage (these are Lebron's league-leading levels).. So the remaining 65% of his shots are midrange at "X" percentage... Here's the simple formula - solve for "X" below:

0.35(70%) + 0.65(X) = 54.1% overall 2-pt field goal %

X = 45.53% .... This is Magic's lowest possible midrange percentage, under the very conservative assumptions that he 35% of his shots are at-rim shots at a 70% clip (these are Lebron's league-leading levels).

I would imagine the calculation is similar for most players in previous eras.. Btw, if we just look at Magic's game, we can see he had elite midrange touch and repertoire, like most players back then:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CWHaJoNjeI&t=4m15s

So in this "scientific" deduction we're also assuming post game didn't exist either, nor transition buckets.......nice.

[ralph_i_el]

illegal D made it real easy to shoot open midrange J's

Give players today straight up 1 on 1 in the midrange and plenty of them will shoot a high%

or are you trying to insinuate that players were better shooter then, even though today a massively high premium is placed on shooting, and we have more skilled shooters from deep than ever before?

[3ball]

So in this "scientific" deduction we're also assuming post game didn't exist either, nor transition buckets.......nice.

We're calculating the field goal percentage on midrange shots - midrange signifies the DISTANCE of the shot and therefore includes all shots from the post that are of midrange DISTANCE.. Ditto on shots in transition that are from midrange distance.

For post or transition shots that are at the rim, they fall under our at-rim assumption.. It couldn't be simpler.

[sdot_thadon]

We're calculating the field goal percentage on midrange shots - midrange signifies the DISTANCE of the shot and therefore includes all shots from the post that are of midrange DISTANCE.. Ditto on shots in transition that are from midrange distance.

For post or transition shots that are at the rim, they fall under our at-rim assumption.. It couldn't be simpler.

Stick to gifs bro, hooks aren't midrange jumpers nor floaters or runners either. Lazy assumption.

[3ball]

or are you trying to insinuate that players were better shooter then, even though today a massively high premium is placed on shooting, and we have more skilled shooters from deep than ever before?

Exactly - FROM DEEP... Not from midrange.

Players in previous eras were better shooters from midrange - that's obvious... Nowadays, they're better shooters at 3-pointers.

[3ball]

Stick to gifs bro, hooks aren't midrange jumpers nor floaters or runners either. Lazy assumption.

They are if they are from midrange DISTANCE you dumbass

[sdot_thadon]

They are if they are from midrange DISTANCE you dumbass

Look, just be honest. We all know where this thread is going, so just state the point out front. Quit beating around the bush. For the record when we discuss mid range game nobody is talking about hooks and shit pal. No need to be upset.

[3ball]

Look, just be honest. We all know where this thread is going, so just state the point out front. Quit beating around the bush. For the record when we discuss mid range game nobody is talking about hooks and shit pal. No need to be upset.

midrange efficiency signifies shots from midrange DISTANCE - the type of shot doesn't matter.

[ShawkFactory]

Look, just be honest. We all know where this thread is going, so just state the point out front. Quit beating around the bush. For the record when we discuss mid range game nobody is talking about hooks and shit pal. No need to be upset.

Seriously. Just say the point 3ball.

We all know it has something to do with optimal brands of basketball

[GimmeThat]

Let's take Magic Johnson - he attempted 12.1 two-pointers per game for his career at 54.1%... If we "remove" his at-rim shots from this percentage, we can arrive at his midrange percentage.

So let's take the most conservative numbers possible to establish a "floor" for his midrange percentage.. Let's assume that Magic takes 35% of his shots at the rim at 70% field goal percentage (these are Lebron's league-leading levels).. So the remaining 65% of his shots are midrange at "X" percentage... Here's the simple formula - solve for "X" below:

0.35(70%) + 0.65(X) = 54.1% overall 2-pt field goal %

X = 45.53% .... This is Magic's lowest possible midrange percentage, under the very conservative assumptions that 35% of his shots are at-rim shots at a 70% clip (these are Lebron's league-leading levels).

I would imagine the calculation is similar for most players in previous eras.. Btw, if we just look at Magic's game, we can see he had elite midrange touch and repertoire, like most players back then:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CWHaJoNjeI&t=4m15s
.

so out of Magic's 12.1 attempts, you assume that 4 of them comes at near the basket, with him making roughly 3 out of 4. and for the rest of the 8 attempts, he makes 3-4 of them.

lets just go ahead and say those 70% near the basket rate are a fair assumption for Magic's level of play. 12.1 x .70 gives us close to 8.5 and his career average is .541, which 12.1 x .541 gives us 6.5.

so at the 12 attempts per game rate, Magic couldn't get to the rim 2 times and had to settle for a lower percentage shot.

6.5/.70 = 9.28

or that his team put him in the position to attempt close to 3 attempts a game where he isn't near the Lebron by the basket efficient level.


so can Lebron play the Center position or not?

[3ball]

Seriously. Just say the point 3ball.

the point is that even when we use assumptions for Magic's at-rim stats** that minimize Magic's midrange percentage, the worst Magic could've shot from midrange is 45.5%.

there's no ulterior motive other than to show that Magic and most players in the 80's had elite midrange efficiency.. i don't need to point out that that today's 3-point-shooting, drive-and-kick ho's wouldn't make it back in previous eras when they would have to shoot midrange and post up... everyone knows that - no need to beat a dead horse on that one..

** OP assumes 35% of Magic's shots were at-rim, at a 70% clip - these are Lebron's league-leading levels - anything LESS than these assumptions increases Magic's midrange percentage

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Find me legitimate shooting stats or f[COLOR="Black"]u[/COLOR]ck off. Assumptions are worth jack sh[COLOR="Black"]i[/COLOR]t.

[3ball]