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    Default Re: NBA's top scorers in Isolation plays

    Quote Originally Posted by Rose'sACL
    lebron james always prefers to be doubled instead of being shadow-doubled like today's rules allow. in the 90s, you had to send hard double teams and no shadow doubling was allowed because of illegal defense rules. hard double teams always leave someone open.
    this gif is a prime example of how today's rules allow shadow doubling.

    barnes would have been called for illegal defense in that play.

    "knowledgeable" basketball fans still don't get why rule changes and now good defensive schemes to take full advantage of those rules have made stretch 4s so important.
    You picked the absolute worst gif possible to try to highlight Bron in an ISO discussion. I've seen players from the 60s in CavFTW's videos who had infinitely better post up ability than that awkward mess of a possession. He looks like he's wearing cement shoes. Dude learned nothing from Hakeem.

    And notice how none of the 'shadow' players are ever within 5 feet of Bron. Harrison Barnes keeps having to jump in and out of the paint so he doesn't get a 3-second violation called against him. Bron is in a straight 1 on 1 situation there with no real help.

    How many times has donald been DESTROYED this week? Holy Samuels.

    Lets wait for him to try and muster a response.
    How many FBI forms you fill out today, CI-6?

    That's not how it works though.

    LeBron - 0.93 PPP on 458 possessions 45.7% FG
    Irving - 1.09 PPP on 243 possessions 46.5% FG

    Negligible, considering the difference in volume. Or, do you consider Ajinca, Sessions, and Miller to be the 3 best ISO players in the league?
    And Irving's numbers across the board are better than Bron. Even if you forget the numbers... Make a case that LeBron James has better 1 on 1 scoring skills than Kyrie Irving.

    Be specific.

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    Default Re: NBA's top scorers in Isolation plays

    Quote Originally Posted by DonDadda59
    You picked the absolute worst gif possible to try to highlight Bron in an ISO discussion. I've seen players from the 60s in CavFTW's videos who had infinitely better post up ability than that awkward mess of a possession. He looks like he's wearing cement shoes. Dude learned nothing from Hakeem.

    And notice how none of the 'shadow' players are ever within 5 feet of Bron. Harrison Barnes keeps having to jump in and out of the paint so he doesn't get a 3-second violation called against him. Bron is in a straight 1 on 1 situation there with no real help.



    How many FBI forms you fill out today, CI-6?



    And Irving's numbers across the board are better than Bron. Even if you forget the numbers... Make a case that LeBron James has better 1 on 1 scoring skills than Kyrie Irving.

    Be specific.
    whther lebron looks awkward or not is not the point. i clearly showed how shadow-doubling makes it easier to stop scorers who are great passers.
    a player like lebron will always welcome hard double teams instead of defenders floating around ready to cover for whoever is guarding lebron. this was not possible in the 90s because of illegal defense rules.
    you will never understand the difference between hard double teams and shadow doubling because it will fck with your idea that today's defensive schemes are the best of all time and it is all thanks to no illegal defense rules.
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    Default Re: NBA's top scorers in Isolation plays

    Quote Originally Posted by Rose'sACL
    whther lebron looks awkward or not is not the point. i clearly showed how shadow-doubling makes it easier to stop scorers who are great passers.
    a player like lebron will always welcome hard double teams instead of defenders floating around ready to cover for whoever is guarding lebron. this was not possible in the 90s because of illegal defense rules.
    First of all, no other defender besides his primary man was within 5 feet of LeBron. Don't know how on Earth you can classify that as a 'double'. Harrison Barnes was playing a one man game of hopscotch to make sure he didn't get an illegal D called on him. And Bron is an idiot because instead of turning baseline which would've given him an easy route to the basket against a smaller defender, he instead chose to turn into the D.

    If you want to see how a cerebral, skilled player plays out of the post, watch this

    Notice how he reads and reacts to multiple defenders in every situation.

    you will never understand the difference between hard double teams and shadow doubling because it will fck with your idea that today's defensive schemes are the best of all time and it is all thanks to no illegal defense rules.
    I think you need to take the time out to figure out what a double team is. Being 5 feet away from an offensive player while jumping in and out of the lane does not count.

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    Illegal defense was taken out of the game in 2001 don.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonDadda59
    First of all, no other defender besides his primary man was within 5 feet of LeBron. Don't know how on Earth you can classify that as a 'double'. Harrison Barnes was playing a one man game of hopscotch to make sure he didn't get an illegal D called on him. And Bron is an idiot because instead of turning baseline which would've given him an easy route to the basket against a smaller defender, he instead chose to turn into the D.

    If you want to see how a cerebral, skilled player plays out of the post, watch this

    Notice how he reads and reacts to multiple defenders in every situation.



    I think you need to take the time out to figure out what a double team is. Being 5 feet away from an offensive player while jumping in and out of the lane does not count.
    double team is when 2 guys are within a hand's distance of you which means that they can't get back to the guy who is left open.in this instance a player like lebron would pass to the open man given that he is one of the best passer of all time.

    Shadow doubling is when a guy is floating between 2 players without being close enough to either player which means that it would be called illegal defense in the 90s. in this instance if the player passes to the open man, the floating defender can still contest the shot if he is fast. if the player with the ball decides to drive to the basket then the defender is still close enough to help in the paint.

    this is why a player like love is so important because the player guarding him has to stay close as he is a good shooter which means his defender can't shadow double kyrie or lebron when they are near the post. there is a reason that good help defense is more important in today's league than ever before because rules have resulted in complex defensive schemes.

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