Stacked squads rule the day - none of these guys are required to carry their team

[3ball]

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No all-time great led their team in scoring for every playoff series of their career - EXCEPT Jordan, who did so by an average of 15.4 ppg:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=406920


Let that sink in - [COLOR="red"]15.4 ppg[/COLOR] - no one carried a team like Jordan..

[CAstill]

Where's the context? Pretty sure since Kobe took over the Lakers he's done the same. Jordan didn't have Shaq playing along with him for the beginning of his career.

[3ball]

Pretty sure since Kobe took over the Lakers he's done the same.

Here's the stats when both guys won rings as #1 options - each stat is a LINK to NBA.com data:

[COLOR="White"]............[/COLOR][COLOR="Red"]PERCENTAGE OF TEAM POINTS SCORED WHILE PLAYER WAS ON FLOOR[/COLOR]


[COLOR="White"].........................[/COLOR]RS[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR]RS 4th[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR] PO[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR]PO 4th[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR]Finals[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 36.0..... 40.1..... 37.7..... 46.3...... 40.9...... 50.4 [COLOR="DarkGreen"]<--- links to nba.com data[/COLOR]
JORDAN 1998... 36.3..... 42.1..... 39.7..... 48.8...... 43.6...... 49.1

KOBE 2009....... 32.6..... 40.5..... 34.3..... 35.8...... 36.2...... 34.4
KOBE 2010....... 32.2..... 37.8..... 33.9..... 38.4...... 36.8...... 37.6

So old man Jordan had a FAR bigger load than Kobe.

[Quickening]

Yes in modern basketball one player outscoring his team mates by so much isn't good basketball. GSW and Spurs have shown that involving multiple players in the offence is optimal basketball.

That's why its funny that 90s fans think the bulls would beat this GSW team who average 115 ppg.

[Sakkreth]

Wait, you mean Jordan's Bulls weren't stacked ?
You went full retard.

[bigkingsfan]

Team didn't start winning until he stopped being a ball hog and tone down his shooting.

[Euroleague]

So let me get this straight....

The 90s Chicago Bulls were not stacked?

[3ball]

Wait, you mean Jordan's Bulls weren't stacked ?

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Do the Cavs, Warriors, or ANY team require their #1 option to average 15 more points than the 2nd option in the playoffs?[/COLOR]



[COLOR="White"]..................[/COLOR]PPG for #1 scorer[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] PPG for #2 scorer[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] Difference


1985 Round 1:...... Jordan 29.3............... Woolrige 20.5.................. [COLOR="Red"]8.8[/COLOR]

1986 Round 1:...... Jordan 43.7............... Woolrige 21.0................ [COLOR="Red"]22.7[/COLOR]

1987 Round 1:...... Jordan 35.7............... C Oakley 20.0................ [COLOR="Red"]15.7[/COLOR]

1988 Round 1:...... Jordan 45.2............... C Oakley 10.8................ [COLOR="Red"]34.4[/COLOR]
1988 Round 2:...... Jordan 27.4............... C Oakley 12.8................ [COLOR="Red"]14.6[/COLOR]

1989 Round 1:...... Jordan 39.8............... S Pippen 15.0................ [COLOR="Red"]25.0[/COLOR]
1989 Round 2:...... Jordan 35.7............... S Pippen 14.8................ [COLOR="Red"]20.9[/COLOR]
1989 Round 3:...... Jordan 29.7............... C Hodges 12.0............... [COLOR="Red"]17.7[/COLOR]

1990 Round 1:...... Jordan 36.8............... S Pippen 22.5................ [COLOR="Red"]14.3[/COLOR]
1990 Round 2:...... Jordan 43.0............... S Pippen 20.8................ [COLOR="Red"]22.2[/COLOR]
1990 Round 3:...... Jordan 32.1............... S Pippen 16.6................ [COLOR="Red"]15.5[/COLOR]

1991 Round 1:...... Jordan 29.0............... S Pippen 19.7................ [COLOR="Red"]9.3[/COLOR]
1991 Round 2:...... Jordan 33.4............... S Pippen 23.4................ [COLOR="Red"]10.0[/COLOR]
1991 Round 3:...... Jordan 29.8............... S Pippen 22.0................ [COLOR="Red"]7.8[/COLOR]
1991 Round 4:...... Jordan 31.2............... S Pippen 20.8................ [COLOR="Red"]10.4[/COLOR]

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1992 Round 1:...... Jordan 45.0............... S Pippen 24.0.............. [COLOR="Red"]21.0[/COLOR]
1992 Round 2:...... Jordan 31.3............... S Pippen 16.0.............. [COLOR="Red"]15.3[/COLOR]
1992 Round 3:...... Jordan 31.7............... S Pippen 19.8.............. [COLOR="Red"]11.9[/COLOR]
1992 Round 4:...... Jordan 35.8............... S Pippen 20.8.............. [COLOR="Red"]15.0[/COLOR]

1993 Round 1:...... Jordan 34.3............... S Pippen 15.3.............. [COLOR="Red"]19.0[/COLOR]
1993 Round 2:...... Jordan 31.0............... S Pippen 18.3.............. [COLOR="Red"]12.7[/COLOR]
1993 Round 3:...... Jordan 32.2............... S Pippen 22.5.............. [COLOR="Red"]9.8[/COLOR]
1993 Round 4:...... Jordan 31.0............... S Pippen 21.2.............. [COLOR="Red"]19.8[/COLOR]

1995 Round 1:...... Jordan 32.3............... T Kukocs 17.3.............. [COLOR="Red"]15.0[/COLOR]
1995 Round 2:...... Jordan 31.0............... S Pippen 19.0.............. [COLOR="Red"]12.0[/COLOR]

1996 Round 1:...... Jordan 30.0............... S Pippen 19.7.............. [COLOR="Red"]10.3[/COLOR]
1996 Round 2:...... Jordan 36.0............... S Pippen 15.6.............. [COLOR="Red"]20.4[/COLOR]
1996 Round 3:...... Jordan 29.5............... S Pippen 18.5.............. [COLOR="Red"]11.0[/COLOR]
1996 Round 4:...... Jordan 27.3............... S Pippen 15.7.............. [COLOR="Red"]11.6[/COLOR]

1997 Round 1:...... Jordan 37.3............... S Pippen 16.7.............. [COLOR="Red"]20.6[/COLOR]
1997 Round 2:...... Jordan 26.6............... S Pippen 22.2.............. [COLOR="Red"]4.4[/COLOR]
1997 Round 3:...... Jordan 30.2............... S Pippen 16.8.............. [COLOR="Red"]17.4[/COLOR]
1997 Round 4:...... Jordan 32.3............... S Pippen 20.0.............. [COLOR="Red"]12.3[/COLOR]

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1998 Round 1:...... Jordan 36.3............... S Pippen 18.0.............. [COLOR="Red"]18.3[/COLOR]
1998 Round 2:...... Jordan 29.6............... S Pippen 17.8.............. [COLOR="Red"]11.8[/COLOR]
1998 Round 3:...... Jordan 31.7............... S Pippen 16.6.............. [COLOR="Red"]15.1
[/COLOR]1998 Round 4:...... Jordan 33.5............... S Pippen 15.7.............. [COLOR="Red"]17.8[/COLOR]
[COLOR="White"].................................................. ............................................[/COLOR]______
[COLOR="White"].................................................. ........................[/COLOR][COLOR="DarkGreen"]15.4 average difference[/COLOR]

[SexSymbol]

I always admire your effort as it seems that here's a lot of time spent on these lists, but Bulls had quite a good team and even you have to admit it.
Times have changed, but there aren't enough individual talent to demoralize the opposition now.
Prime Kobe could do that, I think Curry can do that, but he's not required all the time, Durant could do it if his aggressiveness was better.
tbh, all it matters is winning, doesn't matter how

[Cleverness]

Are you trying to say Klay and Draymond > Pippen and Rodman? Wow. I guess the 73 win team is better than the 72 win team

[3ball]

Are you trying to say Klay and Draymond > Pippen and Rodman?

Pippen and Rodman destroy Klay and Draymond, obviously.

But Pip and Rodman played BETTER COMPETITION, which explains why the Bulls needed Jordan to average 15 more points than his 2nd option in the playoffs - that's FAR more than anyone else has been required to do

[ImKobe]

Here's the stats when both guys won rings as #1 options - each stat is a LINK to NBA.com data:




So old man Jordan had a FAR bigger load than Kobe.

I agree if we're talking scoring load, but Jordan had less help on that end plus the league wasn't scoring as many points per game in 97 and 98 so their defenses kept them in games no matter what and Jordan got his.

Kobe averaged 29.7 on 22.6 FGA 8.3 FTA
Jordan averaged 31.8 on 25.6 FGA 9.3 FTA

Kobe was more efficient however. Both basically shot an identical % inside the arc while Kobe was much better from 3 and 5% better from the FT line

on top of that, Kobe averaged 5.5 assists to Jordan's 4.1

There really isn't much difference if you look at the production. Saying Jordan carried a "FAR bigger load" is simply not true. It's comparing 30/6/6 to 32/6/4

2 more points on worse shooting efficiency vs a few more assists.


And It's funny how you say Jordan was old when Kobe had played more games/seasons and didn't take 2 years off in the middle of his prime.

[SouBeachTalents]

Like a Bulls team that loses the best player in the league, wins 55 games and comes within a win of the ECF, that kind of stacked?