How is it even questionable that MJ is GOAT?

[theoneneo]

Blasphemy, literally the most successful player in the sport, ever.... like, theirs no one past or present more accomplished than Mike. All this he was a product of Nike bullish!t, before Jordan what was Nike? If anything he built them. Lebron is a product of Nike, their attempt to try to recreate Jordan(and it's failing horribly, fuccking horrendous clunky sneakers:face palm )

They day that Mike's legacy comes into question is the day we gotta question the sport all together.

[JT123]

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[Soundwave]

There isn't really. Even on ISH, it's just 5 or 6 junior high kids that need to draw attention to themselves. Probably not even that many, as we're likely talking 2-3 kids with several alts that need attention desperately.

Whenever ISH has any serious threads on GOAT rankings, Jordan wins pretty much by a country mile. Russell and Kareem are the only two that maybe get the odd vote:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=350073

I'm not saying no one else has a case, but even amongst haters, Jordan is usually the consensus pick.

[dubeta]

Weak era, expansion teams

Same excuses Jordan fans make for Russell, today's fans can make for MJ

[outbreak]

It isn't. It's just the trolls and stans who want to make another argument. Sure we had other players who had just as much impact in other eras but no one was as big an icon as MJ. Doesn't mean it's a diss on your favourite player just because they didn't surpass Jordan.

[Soundwave]

Another one:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=282470

Even on the ISH community, it's pretty close to a consensus. That list has been run in 2007, 2012, etc. Still the same result at the top. There's a small handful of people that can't deal with that, but whatever.

[3ball]

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People say MJ had great teammates - this is not true... Jordan had to carry the largest load in NBA history to win his 6 rings.


1) MJ has the highest PER of any player ever for the regular season and playoffs

2) MJ has the most win shares and the highest WS/48 of all time.

3) MJ took a larger proportion of his team's shots than anyone ever

4) MJ has the goat scoring average in the regular season (30.1 ppg) and playoffs 33.6 ppg - by comparison, MJ scored 25% more points per 36 minutes in the playoffs than Lebron (that's 25% more scoring every 3 quarters in the playoffs!!)

5) MJ's Finals average is goat (33.6 ppg... by comparison, Lebron's average is 24.5 ppg)

6) His usage was the highest ever for any player in the regular season (34%) and the playoffs (36%), while maintaining a 118 Ortg (higher than Lebron's 115)... This gives Jordan the highest Ortg/Usage combination of all time.

7) MJ's clutch play was goat.


Why did Jordan have to do so much more to win his championships?.... The only possible reason is that Jordan had less help... The numbers have to add up, and there is no way that Jordan had to do so much more for his rings but somehow had as much help as everyone else.. 2+2 has to equal 4.
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[Soundwave]

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People say MJ had great teammates - this is not true... Jordan had to carry the largest load in NBA history to win his 6 rings.


1) MJ has the highest PER of any player ever for the regular season and playoffs

2) MJ has the most win shares and the highest WS/48 of all time.

3) MJ took a larger proportion of his team's shots than anyone ever

4) MJ has the goat scoring average in the regular season (30.1 ppg) and playoffs, 33.6 ppg (by comparison, MJ scored 25% more points per 36 minutes in the playoffs than Lebron - that's 25% more scoring every 3 quarters in the playoffs!!)

5) MJ's Finals average is goat (33.6 ppg... by comparison, Lebron's average is 23.5 ppg)

6) His usage was the highest ever for any player in the regular season (34%) and the playoffs (36%), while maintaining a 118 Ortg (higher than Lebron's 115)... This gives Jordan the highest Ortg/Usage combination of all time.

7) MJ's clutch play was goat.


Why did Jordan have to do so much more to win his championships?.... The only possible reason is that Jordan had less help... The numbers have to add up, and there is no way that Jordan had to do so much more for his rings but somehow had as much help as everyone else.. 2+2 has to equal 4.
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Pippen was a great player, but yeah in terms of the overall teams, the Bulls weren't stacked like the 80s Lakers/Celtics or 60s Celtics.

Jordan had to do more because the Bulls needed more from him in order to win. But they did have a great team concept and hustled their asses on defence.

[outbreak]

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People say MJ had great teammates - this is not true... Jordan had to carry the largest load in NBA history to win his 6 rings.


1) MJ has the highest PER of any player ever for the regular season and playoffs

2) MJ has the most win shares and the highest WS/48 of all time.

3) MJ took a larger proportion of his team's shots than anyone ever

4) MJ has the goat scoring average in the regular season (30.1 ppg) and playoffs, 33.6 ppg (by comparison, MJ scored 25% more points per 36 minutes in the playoffs than Lebron - that's 25% more scoring every 3 quarters in the playoffs!!)

5) MJ's Finals average is goat (33.6 ppg... by comparison, Lebron's average is 23.5 ppg)

6) His usage was the highest ever for any player in the regular season (34%) and the playoffs (36%), while maintaining a 118 Ortg (higher than Lebron's 115)... This gives Jordan the highest Ortg/Usage combination of all time.

7) MJ's clutch play was goat.


Why did Jordan have to do so much more to win his championships?.... The only possible reason is that Jordan had less help... The numbers have to add up, and there is no way that Jordan had to do so much more for his rings but somehow had as much help as everyone else.. 2+2 has to equal 4.
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You didn't even mention the fact he carried the tune squad to victory either.

[livinglegend]

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People say MJ had great teammates - this is not true... Jordan had to carry the largest load in NBA history to win his 6 rings.


1) MJ has the highest PER of any player ever for the regular season and playoffs

2) MJ has the most win shares and the highest WS/48 of all time.

3) MJ took a larger proportion of his team's shots than anyone ever

4) MJ has the goat scoring average in the regular season (30.1 ppg) and playoffs 33.6 ppg - by comparison, MJ scored 25% more points per 36 minutes in the playoffs than Lebron (that's 25% more scoring every 3 quarters in the playoffs!!)

5) MJ's Finals average is goat (33.6 ppg... by comparison, Lebron's average is 24.5 ppg)

6) His usage was the highest ever for any player in the regular season (34%) and the playoffs (36%), while maintaining a 118 Ortg (higher than Lebron's 115)... This gives Jordan the highest Ortg/Usage combination of all time.

7) MJ's clutch play was goat.


Why did Jordan have to do so much more to win his championships?.... The only possible reason is that Jordan had less help... The numbers have to add up, and there is no way that Jordan had to do so much more for his rings but somehow had as much help as everyone else.. 2+2 has to equal 4.
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How do you explain them winning 55 games without him?

[livinglegend]

Blasphemy, literally the most successful player in the sport, ever.... like, theirs no one past or present more accomplished than Mike. All this he was a product of Nike bullish!t, before Jordan what was Nike? If anything he built them. Lebron is a product of Nike, their attempt to try to recreate Jordan(and it's failing horribly, fuccking horrendous clunky sneakers:face palm )

They day that Mike's legacy comes into question is the day we gotta question the sport all together.

Bill Russell says hi!

[TheMan]

Dimwits dubeta and JT123 already chimed in with their BS. In b4 livinglegend and dragic4life dumb us down even further...

[Soundwave]

The 2000 Lakers are probably the most stacked team of the modern era ... young Shaq, young Kobe, Glenn Rice, Robert Horry. Before that would be the 80s Lakers/Celtics.

Bulls are on par with the recent Heat for talent, maybe a little less. They had less pure talent, but more heart/hustle.

[livinglegend]

Dimwits dubeta and JT123 already chimed in with their BS. In b4 livinglegend and dragic4life dumb us down even further...

Why does it bother you that some people have different opinions from you? Everyone is different and they are allowed to voice their opinion. Stop whining. Just accept it and move on.

[Soundwave]

There are 5-6 different posters on this board that need to hijack every thread because they're attention whoring little kids.

ISH as a community has a pretty well known consensus on this:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=282470

This thread has been updated from 2007 onwards several times. Guess who's always no.1. The voting for who's no.1 isn't even particularly close.