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Wilt Davis
For anyone who thinks Curry, Bran, Kobe better than MJ
Just no.
What's really impressive as that Jordan averaged 5.7 assists in the playoffs while still being the leading playoff scorer most of those seasons.
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but what am I?
Re: For anyone who thinks Curry, Bran, Kobe better than MJ
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Lord Olajuwon
Re: For anyone who thinks Curry, Bran, Kobe better than MJ
Is there anyone who doesn't think Jordan is the GOAT?
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Wilt Davis
Re: For anyone who thinks Curry, Bran, Kobe better than MJ
Originally Posted by I know you are
But Bill Russell though.
He has an argument.
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Wilt Davis
Re: For anyone who thinks Curry, Bran, Kobe better than MJ
Originally Posted by Dr Hawk
Is there anyone who doesn't think Jordan is the GOAT?
Probably a few Kareem, Wilt & Russell fans. You might even find an old schooler her or there who thinks Dr J was the best they ever saw.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: For anyone who thinks Curry, Bran, Kobe better than MJ
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[COLOR="Navy"]Comparison of MJ & Kobe as 1st Options:[/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkRed"]League-wide PPG, Pace and DRtg were all lower during Jordan's 2nd three-peat (1996-1998) than Kobe's championship years without Shaq (2008-2010), in both regular season and playoffs:[/COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkRed"]Yet Jordan still had better stats:[/COLOR]
JORDAN 1996-1998 [COLOR="Navy"]REG SEASON[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 29.6 ppg.. 48.2% fg.. 2 MVP
BRYANT 2008-2010 [COLOR="Navy"]REG SEASON[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 27.4 ppg.. 46.1% fg.. 1 MVP
JORDAN 1996-1998 [COLOR="Indigo"]PLAYOFFS[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 31.4 ppg.. 45.9% fg
BRYANT 2008-2010 [COLOR="Indigo"]PLAYOFFS[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 29.8 ppg.. 46.4% fg
JORDAN 1996-1998 [COLOR="DarkRed"]FINALS[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 31.1 ppg.. 43.4% fg.. 3 championships.. 3 FMVP's
BRYANT 2008-2010 [COLOR="DarkRed"]FINALS[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 29.2 ppg.. 41.3% fg.. 2 championships.. 2 FMVP's
Source: basketball-reference.com
[COLOR="darkred"]Notice that MJ's efficiency was equal or greater, even though Kobe's efficiency was unfairly boosted by carrying a SMALLER LOAD:[/COLOR]
[COLOR="White"]............[/COLOR][COLOR="Red"]PERCENTAGE OF TEAM POINTS SCORED WHILE PLAYER WAS ON FLOOR[/COLOR]
[COLOR="White"].........................[/COLOR]RS[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR]RS 4th[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR] PO[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR]PO 4th[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR]Finals[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] Finals 4th
JORDAN 1997... 36.0..... 40.1..... 37.7..... 46.3...... 40.9...... 50.4
JORDAN 1998... 36.3..... 42.1..... 39.7..... 48.8...... 43.6...... 49.1
KOBE 2008....... 31.8..... 36.8..... 33.9..... 41.5...... 30.4...... 32.1
KOBE 2009....... 32.6..... 40.5..... 34.3..... 35.8...... 36.2...... 34.4
KOBE 2010....... 32.2..... 37.8..... 33.9..... 38.4...... 36.8...... 37.6
CLIFFS: At 33-35 years old, MJ had better stats against better defenses than 29-31 year-old Kobe, while also carrying a larger load.. Now imagine if we looked at Jordan's prime - yikes - it's amazing how much better Jordan was than Kobe.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: For anyone who thinks Curry, Bran, Kobe better than MJ
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[COLOR="DarkRed"]Imagine if your favorite player scored 5-7 more ppg in the playoffs on better efficiency across the board - that's what MJ did in comparison to Lebron:[/COLOR]
Career Playoffs - PER GAME:
JORDAN: 33.4 ppg.. 1.7 oreb.. 4.7 dreb.. 5.7 apg.. 3.1 tov.. 2.1 spg.. 0.9 blk.. [COLOR="Navy"]48.7 fg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg[/COLOR]
LEBRON: 28.2 ppg.. 1.5 oreb.. 7.2 dreb.. 6.7 apg.. 3.5 tov.. 1.7 spg.. 0.9 blk.. [COLOR="navy"]47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg[/COLOR]
Career Playoffs - PER 100 POSSESSIONS:
JORDAN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 48.7 fg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg
LEBRON:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg
Career Finals - PER GAME:
JORDAN: 33.6 ppg.. 6.0 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 2.8 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.65 bpg.. 48.1 fg
LEBRON: 26.4 ppg.. 9.6 rpg.. 6.9 apg.. 4.0 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.54 bpg.. 44.6 fg
There's never been a number 1 option that scored 5-7 more ppg on better efficiency that wasn't considered the FAR better player.
Jordan's massive scoring edge on superior efficiency is far more valuable than Lebron's 1.0 assist edge (with more turnovers) and 2.5 def rebound edge (MJ had more offensive rebounds).
Lebron's assist edge is particularly meaningless considering he achieves his assists by lowering his TEAMMATES' assists and playmaking, as the stats show.
Furthermore, Jordan scored 10 more ppg than his 2nd option for every playoff series of his career AND led the team in passing (MJ led the Bulls in assist percentage for both 3-peats)... Lebron was never required to do that - he has several series where he wasn't even the team's leading scorer.
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Paid shill
Re: For anyone who thinks Curry, Bran, Kobe better than MJ
Didn't read/look at it. Curry > MJ
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I rule the local playground
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81
Re: For anyone who thinks Curry, Bran, Kobe better than MJ
Why do old era fans even bother listing off stats as if that means anything anymore ? We're in a new, stronger era of intelligent, calculated basketball.
Shit era players like Jordan have inflated stats, its common sense.
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NBA Legend
Re: For anyone who thinks Curry, Bran, Kobe better than MJ
Originally Posted by Marchesk
Probably a few Kareem, Wilt & Russell fans. You might even find an old schooler her or there who thinks Dr J was the best they ever saw.
I don't think anyone thinks Dr J > MJ. Primarily because there aren't too many years separating them. There's probably more people on the Oscar is GOAT wagon.
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Embiid > Jokic
Re: For anyone who thinks Curry, Bran, Kobe better than MJ
The only players with any legit argument over Jordan are Russell, Kareem & Wilt. Jordan is the indisputable GOAT perimeter player, and it's not even close
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Wilt Davis
Re: For anyone who thinks Curry, Bran, Kobe better than MJ
Only playoffs Jordan was held under 30 was when Moncrief guarded him. Still averaged 8.5 assists though.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: For anyone who thinks Curry, Bran, Kobe better than MJ
Originally Posted by Marchesk
Only playoffs Jordan was held under 30 was when Moncrief guarded him. Still averaged 8.5 assists though.
Rookie Jordan's 29 ppg and 8.5 apg in his first playoff series vs. the reigning, 2-time DPOY could be the goat 1st playoff series performance
btw, no all-time great led their team in scoring for every playoff series of their careers, except Jordan... And Jordan led his team by at least 10 ppg for every playoff series - let that sink in.
(edit: there were 2 series where Jordan led his team by 5 ppg and 7 ppg... still the goat, BY FAR).
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Mugshot from SlyCooper
Re: For anyone who thinks Curry, Bran, Kobe better than MJ
Originally Posted by G0ATbe
Why do old era fans even bother listing off stats as if that means anything anymore ? We're in a new, stronger era of intelligent, calculated basketball.
Shit era players like Jordan have inflated stats, its common sense.
Jordan was better than Kobe and if you can't see that you're a delusional dickhead
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