The Thunder/Westbrook have been AWFUL without Durant

[KG215]

Ibaka is all-star level, and Jackson is 6th man caliber.

It's andremiller. There's 15-20 PFs as good or better than Ibaka. We're not to far from him just straight up saying Ibaka is bad and, not long after that, terrible or a scrub.

[Taller than CP3]

Westbrook isn't the alpha that everyone thinks he is. In fact, it's quite the opposite. Sure, he is quite the competitor on the court. But have you heard him speak? He's actually quite soft spoken, timid, and shy. The fact is, both Westbrook and KD need each other. But in the end, KD is the true leader of the team. He's shown what he can do out there without Westbrook in the Playoffs. Meanwhile, Russell looks like a lost dog out there and it's only Preseason. KD is the real MVP.

[riseagainst]

what a surprise a team would play worse without 2nd best player in world

[imdaman99]

Westbrook isn't the alpha that everyone thinks he is. In fact, it's quite the opposite. Sure, he is quite the competitor on the court. But have you heard him speak? He's actually quite soft spoken, timid, and shy. The fact is, both Westbrook and KD need each other. But in the end, KD is the true leader of the team. He's shown what he can do out there without Westbrook in the Playoffs. Meanwhile, Russell looks like a lost dog out there and it's only Preseason. KD is the real MVP.

Sure, if you consider going 3-6 proving himself without Westbrook in the playoffs

Give this team a chance, honestly I don't think it's well built because they depend so heavily on 2 guys. Only 2-3 guys can really create on this team, with Jackson being the other. It might get ugly for certain stretches, but we will see.

[tpols]

Anytime your evidence is preseason results you are doing it all wrong. Anytime your evidence is cherry picked from preseason stats you are a troll with an agenda.

Here is the last 4 seasons worth of meaningful game results:

WITHOUT KD
(point differential per 100 off possessions and 100 def possessions)

+2.0 (without WB for significant period of time)
+4.1
+5.2
+4.6

Those equate to ELITE teams.

LeBron's best support, in ANY of his 11 years, with all the "stacking" was +.2

Yea but Durant plays within his teams philosophies, and allows others to shine.. His style is great for opening the court up and allowing others to dribble, handle and feel the ball in their hands.. get in rythym, and become good players.

Lebron? The exact opposite really.. all of his former teammates (bosh/chalmers/wade etc) are now reveling in the fact that they will actually get to touch and feel the ball again, and go back to what they did growing up.. just playing some basketball.

[Hey Yo]

This stacked OKC team will be well above .500 by the time the Servant gets back on the court.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

It's andremiller. There's 15-20 PFs as good or better than Ibaka. We're not to far from him just straight up saying Ibaka is bad and, not long after that, terrible or a scrub.

Love
Dirk
LMA
Blake
Bosh
Melo (hes a PF now)
Millsap
AD
West
Lee
Taj
Pau
Timmy
Amir

Ibaka is a great role player but LOL @ allstar level. Replace him with any of these players and OKC gets better, waaaaaaaayyyyyyy better in some cases

[SamuraiSWISH]

Russell Westbrook needs to avoid going for 27 or 30 points per game while Kevin Durant is out. Oklahoma City would be much better if he averages 20 or 22 points per game with 10 or 12 assists per game because too many of his teammates are unable to create shots on their own.

I've always maintained this ... for him 20 ppg 12 apg is MVP caliber, and along with consistent defensive effort then he's the best PG in the league as well. He needs to average around 45 FG%, an minimal turnovers.

[KG215]

Love
Dirk
LMA
Blake
Bosh
Melo (hes a PF now)
Millsap
AD
West
Lee
Taj
Pau
Timmy
Amir

Ibaka is a great role player but LOL @ allstar level. Replace him with any of these players and OKC gets better, waaaaaaaayyyyyyy better in some cases

I didn't say he was All-Star caliber. And some of the ones you listed are, at best, debatable. He's certainly better than "average at best."

But I'm not getting into this with you because you and joyner are cut from the same cloth. You're a player stan, not an OKC fan, so any chance to denigrate said player's teammates, you take it.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

I didn't say he was All-Star caliber. And some of the ones you listed are, at best, debatable. He's certainly better than "average at best."

But I'm not getting into this with you because you and joyner are cut from the same cloth. You're a player stan, not an OKC fan, so any chance to denigrate said player's teammates, you take it.

What i have constantly praised Westbrook saying he was a top 10 player for years now and only 2nd to CP as a PG until Steph and Steven Adams on here
Ibakas one of the most overrated players in the league and thats a fact

[tpols]

Love
Dirk
LMA
Blake
Bosh
Melo (hes a PF now)
Millsap
AD
West
Lee
Taj
Pau
Timmy
Amir

Ibaka is a great role player but LOL @ allstar level. Replace him with any of these players and OKC gets better, waaaaaaaayyyyyyy better in some cases

Better impact player than all the bolded.. lol at you reaching with melo as a PF.. and anthony davis is a center. Bosh is debateable. Fringe top 5 PF.

[JT123]

Love
Dirk
LMA
Blake
Bosh
Melo (hes a PF now)
Millsap
AD
West
Lee
Taj
Pau
Timmy
Amir

Ibaka is a great role player but LOL @ allstar level. Replace him with any of these players and OKC gets better, waaaaaaaayyyyyyy better in some cases

These KD stans will say ANYTHING to give their boy an excuse for being ringless. Ibaka put up better stats than Bosh last year, despite having to play with not one but TWO ball dominant players.
Ibaka is an All Star caliber player, and would be an All Star ahead of Bosh if he was in the East. Deal with it.

[NumberSix]

I don't know why people keep pretending players like Ibaka/Adams/Lamb/Jackson are anythimg more than average at best players.

Probably because they carried Durant through the playoffs.

[JT123]

Yea but Durant plays within his teams philosophies, and allows others to shine.. His style is great for opening the court up and allowing others to dribble, handle and feel the ball in their hands.. get in rythym, and become good players.

Who the hell dribbles and handles the ball for OKC other than Durant and Westbrook? I get that you're trying to troll Lebron fans, but at least make troll comments that somewhat make sense.
And if Durant's style supposedly makes others become good players, why is he STILL ringless? Why are his fans constantly crying about him not having enough help?

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Won 1 quarter (garbage time) against UTAH...........Ibaka got SONNED by Favors