Do people really think Lebron can surpass Jordan?

[J Shuttlesworth]

Honestly, when I think of Bulls finals moments, I think of these too:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2BlOTeoZVE

That doesn't take away from Jordan's performance at all. LeBron killed it in game 7 and hit the dagger.

Edit: Also, technically speaking, it's better to NOT NEED big clutch shots in the finals. Heat beat the Thunder in 5 games. It's better to do that, then to rely on some last minute clutch shots in game 6-7.

[moe94]

I think closer to top 3 especially if he got MVPS along the way. While understand career accomplishments weigh heavily in rankings I still would feel uncomfortable with putting over guys like Shaq, Duncan, and Kobe. However, how can you ignore him being the best player on the planet for the stretch that he's been on. Bron has been in the top 2 in the league since 06 or 07. I wonder how that compares to other all time greats.

Btw Who's that in your avy???

Some random chick.

Let's wait for a 3peat first. That itself is insane to do.

[MMM]

Lebron failed to make the playoffs twice. Also was swept in the finals. And let's not even begin with the biggest chokejob in the finals comparable to Magic Johnson in 1984 and Kobe Bryant in 2004, against a team that wasn't anything out of this world (Mavs).

Not necessarily agreeing with the poster u quoted but let's have some context. Bron missed the playoffs leading a team that only won 17 games the year prior. I would argue he made improved the Cavs too soon. Heck his 2nd year they missed the playoffs by one game and probably would of snuck in if Boston benched their players vs. Cle like they did vs. The 8th seeded team. Also think more credit is deserving for the teams that won those series.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Lebron hits a wide open jumper

Spurs backed off him and dared him to shoot warm-up jumpers that most NBA wings would make 8 times out of 10, and he ends up shooting 45% for the series

And btw, Kobe's the only player since MJ in 91 to average 32+ ppg 7+ apg in a Finals series. Lebron's career finals fg% is slightly higher than Kobe's, yet he played 0 Finals series when handchecking was legal, Kobed played in 4 Finals during the handcheck era.

Wow, you really think they dared him to take that dagger at the end? you should really try watching the games instead of staring at box scores all day

[Milbuck]

No. Ever since that 2007 finals series, I knew. It was incredible how he carried his team there and all that, but watching the Spurs totally own his soul was a revelation. 2011 confirmed it. Granted, he's been amazing since then. He's compensated big time and he's almost a lock for top 5-7. But get MJ out of your head, Lebron is NOT surpassing MJ.

[secund2nun]

Jordan failed to even make the playoffs several times in the Bird/Magic era and on the Wizards. Failing to even make the playoffs is far and away more pathetic than making it to the NBA Finals but coming up short only to the eventual NBA champions of the season. When you're playing the last game of the season you've had a helluva season. Heck, some of Jordan's teams couldn't even crack .500, don't act like Jordan's resume is water tight. It isn't. He had his own fair share of bumbles in the playoffs.

+1

Jordan missed the playoffs a few times and lost in the first round 3 times, but somehow winning a conference title is worse than that. These MJ fan boys have such strange logic.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Jordan failed to even make the playoffs several times in the Bird/Magic era and on the Wizards.

You might want to check your facts. Jordan never missed the playoffs on the Bulls.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

LeBron showed hes able to make teammates better on a whole nother level than MJ.
he never got bounced in the first round and his 2007 finals run at age 21 makes up for his shit performance in the 2011 finals vs a great mavs team. he also had problems with Wade on who is the main man.
ever since that lebron showed a dominance and all around game jordan never had.
yes Jordan is great and top 4 player but LeBron has more accomplishments at a younger age as well as more rings. hes the better player too.
if he keeps winning he will surpass jordan. if not he will fall just short.
hes a lock for top 5 tho

[OldSchoolBBall]

Honestly, when I think of Bulls finals moments, I think of these too:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2BlOTeoZVE

That doesn't take away from Jordan's performance at all. LeBron killed it in game 7 and hit the dagger.

Edit: Also, technically speaking, it's better to NOT NEED big clutch shots in the finals. Heat beat the Thunder in 5 games. It's better to do that, then to rely on some last minute clutch shots in game 6-7.

Except before that shot, Jordan had scored all 16 of the Bulls' 4th quarter points, whereas before Ray Allen's shot, Lebron had turned the ball over twice and missed 3 shots all in the final 1:30, and been basically invisible the entire 4th. So yeah...not really equivalent. The Bulls weren't facing elimination that game, either.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Except before that shot, Jordan had scored all 16 of the Bulls' 4th quarter points, whereas before Ray Allen's shot, Lebron had turned the ball over twice and missed 3 shots all in the final 1:30, and been basically invisible the entire 4th. So yeah...not really equivalent. The Bulls weren't facing elimination that game, either.

LeBron SINGLEHANDEDLY brought the HEat back with roleplayers that spaced the floor. i cant remember how many points he had but it was something like 12-16 too.
hit a clutch shot in the last 20 seconds too

[theoneneo]

LeBron showed hes able to make teammates better on a whole nother level than MJ.
he never got bounced in the first round and his 2007 finals run at age 21 makes up for his shit performance in the 2011 finals vs a great mavs team. he also had problems with Wade on who is the main man.
ever since that lebron showed a dominance and all around game jordan never had.
yes Jordan is great and top 4 player but LeBron has more accomplishments at a younger age as well as more rings. hes the better player too.
if he keeps winning he will surpass jordan. if not he will fall just short.
hes a lock for top 5 tho

Lol Jordan averaged 11apg in 91, that's way higher than Bron you turd...

And lol at his "run" to the finals, that shit don't matter boy, he got swept, nobody remembers that cheesy ass run.

And while Bron has more accomplished at a younger age, that's irrelevant due to the fact that he came into the league 3 years younger you turd. What's the accomplishments and stats after the same number of seasons tho?

[zoom17]

Except before that shot, Jordan had scored all 16 of the Bulls' 4th quarter points, whereas before Ray Allen's shot, Lebron had turned the ball over twice and missed 3 shots all in the final 1:30, and been basically invisible the entire 4th. So yeah...not really equivalent. The Bulls weren't facing elimination that game, either.

Same thing with Lebron game 6 he willed his team to have a chance to win at the end. Without his 4th quarter performance Ray Allen shot wouldn't have mattered.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Except before that shot, Jordan had scored all 16 of the Bulls' 4th quarter points, whereas before Ray Allen's shot, Lebron had turned the ball over twice and missed 3 shots all in the final 1:30, and been basically invisible the entire 4th. So yeah...not really equivalent. The Bulls weren't facing elimination that game, either.

of course you disregard the fact that LeBron went on a run in the third to get his team back in the game after being down 13. You also disregard the fact that he made the 3 before Allen's. And then of course you disregard LeBron's great performances like Game 7 (highest pressure game), or his series against OKC where he ended it with a triple double.

[zoom17]

of course you disregard the fact that LeBron went on a run in the third to get his team back in the game after being down 13. You also disregard the fact that he made the 3 before Allen's. And then of course you disregard LeBron's great performances like Game 7 (highest pressure game), or his series against OKC where he ended it with a triple double.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Lol Jordan averaged 11apg in 91, that's way higher than Bron you turd...

And lol at his "run" to the finals, that shit don't matter boy, he got swept, nobody remembers that cheesy ass run.

And while Bron has more accomplished at a younger age, that's irrelevant due to the fact that he came into the league 3 years younger you turd. What's the accomplishments and stats after the same number of seasons tho?

throwing around insults wont save you from being a dumbass