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Local High School Star
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Re: Today's era has 'exposed' big men and bumped them down the all-time rankings
Originally Posted by 3ball
New Rankings
1) MJ
2) Bird
3) Magic
4) Kareem
5) Wilt
6) Russell
7) Kobe
8) Shaq
9) Duncan
10) Durant
I think we have to put Durant ahead of Lebron because he outplayed lebron 3 times heads-up in the Finals, and obviously if he 3-peats
I expect bigs to continue tumbling the rankings going forward
Bird is #2 for sure for anyone that cares about translatable skills and positive impact on the sport (basically what the question of greatness boils down to).
I don't think Kareem can be put ahead of Wilt or Shaq though. Kobe certainly can't be put ahead of Shaq.
I don't think the idea you are pushing about big men is quite right, but yes, Bird is #2. Magic's skills wouldn't translate super well to today's game though, so I wonder what's going on with the list. He did have a big impact on the sport though.
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Re: Today's era has 'exposed' big men and bumped them down the all-time rankings
Originally Posted by 3ball
Right, that's my point - today's perimeter era shows more than ever that you don't need those dominant bigs to win - i.e. Shaq, Kareem, Wilt, Russell, Duncan, etc
And now when we look back, it's clear these guys like shaq/kareem, etc needed more help than Kobe/MJ and all-time perimeter players in general.. this is an obvious trend looking back - dominant bigs need more help, and the brand of ball they yield is less flexible
If Durant wins this year, he's confirmed as a top tier, all-time perimeter player, and therefore could be ranked with the 2nd tier bigs (duncan, shaq), still below the top tier bigs (KAJ, Russell, wilt)..
So this era proves that Magic > Kareem? Gotcha
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Re: Today's era has 'exposed' big men and bumped them down the all-time rankings
I can't wait for the 4 point shot to expose all basketball even further
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I don't get picked last at the park anymore
Re: Today's era has 'exposed' big men and bumped them down the all-time rankings
da *** Durant do to overshadow Lebron? win with reigning MVP as costar ad 3 other all stars? Don't show me that 3 over lebron, if that's the best you got just go home
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Local High School Star
Re: Today's era has 'exposed' big men and bumped them down the all-time rankings
All today's era proves is that the NBA has changed the rules and altered the focus of officiating to favor the outside shot and to aid smaller players to be able to drive to the basket without having to fear that some neanderthal will clothesline them and take their head off. Curry, Harden, Westbrook would be just as lost and out of their element in the 70's as the greats from that era would be in todays game.
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well well well
Re: Today's era has 'exposed' big men and bumped them down the all-time rankings
Good list op.
Curry also climbing fast
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College superstar
Re: Today's era has 'exposed' big men and bumped them down the all-time rankings
Originally Posted by 'Toine=MVP
Bird is #2 for sure for anyone that cares about translatable skills and positive impact on the sport (basically what the question of greatness boils down to).
I don't think Kareem can be put ahead of Wilt or Shaq though. Kobe certainly can't be put ahead of Shaq.
I don't think the idea you are pushing about big men is quite right, but yes, Bird is #2. Magic's skills wouldn't translate super well to today's game though, so I wonder what's going on with the list. He did have a big impact on the sport though.
what? Kobe is most definitely ahead of Shaq.
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NBA All-star
Re: Today's era has 'exposed' big men and bumped them down the all-time rankings
I agree, and I'd also bump down all the guards that played in an era dominated by bigs
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