Tesla unveils Model Y

[Overdrive]

Electricity is what our civilization is going towards as a whole at the consumer level and slowly (too slowly imo) at commercial level.

The only limitation currently is range (mostly due to inefficient battery storage), but within next 5yrs, I expect range for fully charged batteries to equal or even exceed that of gas cars on full tank.

What other limitations do you see beyond range and maybe battery disposal at the end of its life-cycle being not environmentally friendly?

The creation also isn't enviroment friendly. I'm sure 100 years down the road cars won't need batteries anymore. Electricity will be induced by the roads themselves.

[NumberSix]

There are certainly limitations, but as more fast charging stations that can provide 150-200 miles of range in 15 minutes

You can fill up your gas tank in 20 seconds. Nobody wants to stand around for 15 minutes waiting to charge their cars. Can you even imagine the line ups. If there are 3 people in line ahead of you, you have to wait 45 minutes and then another 15 minutes to charge your own car. This is not realistic.

[nathanjizzle]

numbersix has to be the dumbest person on this board.

[bladefd]

You can fill up your gas tank in 20 seconds. Nobody wants to stand around for 15 minutes waiting to charge their cars. Can you even imagine the line ups. If there are 3 people in line ahead of you, you have to wait 45 minutes and then another 15 minutes to charge your own car. This is not realistic.

How often do you drive 600 miles in a single day? (400 miles full overnight charge + 15mins of supercharge to add 200 miles)

[Ben Simmons 25]

How often do you drive 600 miles in a single day? (400 miles full overnight charge + 15mins of supercharge to add 200 miles)

Bingo.

[bladefd]

The creation also isn't enviroment friendly. I'm sure 100 years down the road cars won't need batteries anymore. Electricity will be induced by the roads themselves.

Good point. I do believe though that overall life cycle of a car battery is significantly more environmental friendly (including creation and disposal) than a typical gas car's life cycle. Remember, gas cars are more complex with way more moving parts and require not just gas but oil + more maintenance.

[NumberSix]

How often do you drive 600 miles in a single day? (400 miles full overnight charge + 15mins of supercharge to add 200 miles)

When you go to a store, how do you think all those items got there? Teleportation? How do you think that things like fruits and vegetables from California get to places like New Jersey? They

[bladefd]

When you go to a store, how do you think all those items got there? Teleportation? How do you think that things like fruits and vegetables from California get to places like New Jersey? They’re transported by big trucks.

You think these big trucks are gonna go electric? How many times do you think these trucks would have to stop and recharge on the trip from California to New Jersey?

You think public transportation like buses are gonna go electric?

I mean, I guess it’s possible. Maybe there will be a new technology that makes it possible to charge a giant battery in like 20 seconds.

We were talking about cars and then you ask about planes. Your argument on planes gets destroyed so you return to cars asking about long recharge times/range. Your argument on recharge times/range gets destroyed and then you ask about trucks. You going to ask about rockets next? Maybe subway trains or warp drives?

Yes, semi-trucks would be difficult but can have batteries too. Keep in mind truck drivers don't drive 24/7. They need rest too so you could have electric chargers at rest stops for the 5-6hrs they sleep to rest. Anyways, you can have hybrid trucks that use both gas and electricity in conjunction together to maximize range. I think many hybrid vehicles use gas to charge electric batteries and the motors are electric so you can push efficiency/mileage. You don't necessarily need 100% electric trucks for near future.

Overdrive made a good point too about induction charging on roads, which is within reach. I think many electric trains and trams work like that with hooks touching wires running at the top. You can have induction on roads themselves and still be perfectly safe to touch them without electrocution.. That is few decades away but very much doable.

Going to ask about electric rockets next or electric warp drives next??

[NumberSix]

We were talking about cars and then you ask about planes. Your argument on planes gets destroyed so you return to cars asking about long recharge times/range. Your argument on recharge times/range gets destroyed and then you ask about trucks. You going to ask about rockets next? Maybe subway trains or warp drives?

If by

[MaxFly]

You can fill up your gas tank in 20 seconds. Nobody wants to stand around for 15 minutes waiting to charge their cars. Can you even imagine the line ups. If there are 3 people in line ahead of you, you have to wait 45 minutes and then another 15 minutes to charge your own car. This is not realistic.

The goal is to get to a point where people won't need to stand around for 15 minutes to charge their vehicle except on rare occasions. The current plan is to build infrastructure that will allow people to easily keep their vehicles charged by charging when they park in parking lots, on the street or at home. Many malls, hospitals, sports stadiums, hotels, restaurants and even gyms have installed or allowed car chargers to be installed on their premises already. Most people who own electric vehicles primarily charge those vehicles at home.

The only driving limitation that persists is the issue with charging up on long road trips. However, a car with 200-250 mile range and that can significantly charge up in 20 minutes should allow for normal behavior. After being in a car for 3-4 hours, most people will stop at a rest stop to stretch their legs and use the bathroom. With the proper infrastructure, the car can be charging at those rest stops during those routine stops.

Again, what are the limitations you are talking about?

[MaxFly]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]When you go to a store, how do you think all those items got there? Teleportation? How do you think that things like fruits and vegetables from California get to places like New Jersey? They

[NumberSix]

The goal is to get to a point where people won't need to stand around for 15 minutes to charge their vehicle except on rare occasions. The current plan is to build infrastructure that will allow people to easily keep their vehicles charged by charging when they park in parking lots, on the street or at home. Many malls, hospitals, sports stadiums, hotels, restaurants and even gyms have installed or allowed car chargers to be installed on their premises already. Most people who own electric vehicles primarily charge those vehicles at home.

The only driving limitation that persists is the issue with charging up on long road trips. However, a car with 200-250 mile range and that can significantly charge up in 20 minutes should allow for normal behavior. After being in a car for 3-4 hours, most people will stop at a rest stop to stretch their legs and use the bathroom. With the proper infrastructure, the car can be charging at those rest stops during those routine stops.

Again, what are the limitations you are talking about?

Look, I

[MaxFly]

Look, I’m not guaranteeing that I’m right. We’re doing future predicting here. I’m just of the opinion that it’s more likely that some other fuel comes along than battery powered cars replacing gas powered cars as the dominant engine type.

What other fuel? We'll be seeing a lot of electric vehicles released over the next decade. It sounds like you're saying that they won't gain much marketshare. Other than hydrogen, there are no other low emission fuels on horizon... so what other fuel? And how long?

[Kblaze8855]

You think public transportation like buses are gonna go electric?

You need to google that one. Electric buses make more sense than cars. Cities are already setting up to convert.

You wont see a gas powered bus in a major city in 20 years or so.

Im in a city you never heard of and they are talking about electric buses.

[MaxFly]

You need to google that one. Electric buses make more sense than cars. Cities are already setting up to convert.

You wont see a gas powered bus in a major city in 20 years or so.

Im in a city you never heard of and they are talking about electric buses.

And you know what you would find if you googled it...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ers_and_models

or...

http://www.emoss.nl/en/electric-bus/minibus/

or...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...e-oil-industry

Sometimes Six gets too deep into his argument, loses himself, and starts saying some wild, nonsensical stuff.