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    Default 2001 Kobe vs number one options on championship teams

    Regular Season 28.5 ppg 5.9 rpg 5.0 apg

    Playoffs 29.4 7.3 6.1

    How many number one options on championship teams played worse than 2001 "sidekick" Kobe?

    BTW Shaq didn't really make Kobe better. Nobody left Kobe open to double Shaq. Many teams actually doubled Kobe on the perimeter. Kobe actually made Shaq better through his dibble penetration and subsequent spoon feeding of Shaq for easy dunks.

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    Default Re: 2001 Kobe vs number one options on championship teams

    Kobe averaged 32/7/6 on 49% while going undefeated through the first 3 rounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMarkMadsen
    Kobe averaged 32/7/6 on 49% while going undefeated through the first 3 rounds.
    Jordan esque. Then Eric Snow / Raja Bell happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamuraiSWISH
    Jordan esque. Then Eric Snow / Raja Bell happened.
    Kobe had his only bad game of the entire playoffs in the first game if the finals and its no coincedence that was the only game LA lost.. Kobe was that important. After that game he had a pretty good series.

    Anyways back to the topic would love to see some #1 option numbers compared to Kobes 01

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMarkMadsen
    Kobe had his only bad game of the entire playoffs in the first game if the finals and its no coincedence that was the only game LA lost.. Kobe was that important. After that game he had a pretty good series.

    Anyways back to the topic would love to see some #1 option numbers compared to Kobes 01
    He was a beast for sure, but the margin of error for the 01 Lakers was absolutely huge.

    Kobe was for sure a big part of that, but he could have played 25% worse and the Lakers still would have cruised to the title.

    Most dominant playoff run by a team I've ever seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMarkMadsen
    Kobe had his only bad game of the entire playoffs in the first game if the finals and its no coincedence that was the only game LA lost.. Kobe was that important. After that game he had a pretty good series.
    I agree. Played great defense on Iverson too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMarkMadsen
    Kobe had his only bad game of the entire playoffs in the first game if the finals and its no coincedence that was the only game LA lost.. Kobe was that important. After that game he had a pretty good series.

    Anyways back to the topic would love to see some #1 option numbers compared to Kobes 01
    2013 Bran:

    Regular Season- 26.8 8.0 7.3

    Playoffs- 25.9 8.4 6.6


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    Kobe definitely doesn't get the credit he deserves for his part in the '01 title run. It's a testament to how great Shaq was that he could slightly outperform Kobe that season, not many others in NBA history could do that

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    Quote Originally Posted by DMAVS41
    He was a beast for sure, but the margin of error for the 01 Lakers was absolutely huge.

    Kobe was for sure a big part of that, but he could have played 25% worse and the Lakers still would have cruised to the title.

    Most dominant playoff run by a team I've ever seen.
    LOL. So Kobe could have averaged something like 22/4/4 and they would have still cruised to a title.

    DMAVS just stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMarkMadsen
    LOL. So Kobe could have averaged something like 22/4/4 and they would have still cruised to a title.

    DMAVS just stop.
    Yea...they went 15-1...and absolutely blew teams out for the most part. I think they had like 10 of the wins by double digits.

    Don't think it's that crazy to say honestly...especially with Shaq there. That Kings series would be the only one in doubt with Kobe playing worse, but I still think the Lakers pull it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DMAVS41
    Yea...they went 15-1...and absolutely blew teams out for the most part. I think they had like 10 of the wins by double digits.

    Don't think it's that crazy to say honestly...especially with Shaq there. That Kings series would be the only one in doubt with Kobe playing worse, but I still think the Lakers pull it out.
    Shaq could have went 18/8/3 and they still would've won

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    He was a top 3-5 player that year yet people don't give him proper credit because he happened to play with the #1 player. Meanwhile Chauncey Billups has a "ring as the man" and people like Kawhi Leonard put up 18/6/2 and win FMVP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roundball_Rock
    He was a top 3-5 player that year yet people don't give him proper credit because he happened to play with the #1 player. Meanwhile Chauncey Billups has a "ring as the man" and people like Kawhi Leonard put up 18/6/2 and win FMVP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DMAVS41
    Yea...they went 15-1...and absolutely blew teams out for the most part. I think they had like 10 of the wins by double digits.

    Don't think it's that crazy to say honestly...especially with Shaq there.
    Yeah.. Because Kobe was going absolutely insane..

    The kings took the Lakers to a game 7 in 2000, (game 5) and this was with Shaq putting up incredible numbers 29/17..

    Lakers swept the Kings in 2001 with Shaq averaging 33/19 and Kobe averaging 35/9... Every game besides game 3 was decided by 6 points or less..

    Let than sink in, almost every game was decided by 6 points or less with Kobe/Shaq combing for 68/28/6 per game on incredible effeciency...

    But according to you kobe could have played significantly worse and it wouldn't have been a problem for the lakers

    And to top it off..

    1999 playoffs vs the spurs, lakers get swept even with Shaq averaging 24/13 for the series & Kobe averaging 21/7/4 (which is give or take the 25% worse level you claim they could have cruised to the finals with)

    00 Duncan is hurt, Lakers & Spurs meet again in the 01 playoffs..

    Shaq averages 27/13 (3 more points per game than the 99 spurs series)

    Kobe averages 33/7/7 and they sweep the series..

    See the difference?

    And what happened in the 00' & 02' when Kobe wasnt playing on this god mode of 32/7/6? Oh that's right Lakers got taken to game 7's each year..

    Now please take this ether and STFU with your bogus claims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMarkMadsen
    Yeah.. Because Kobe was going absolutely insane..

    The kings took the Lakers to a game 7 in 2000, (game 5) and this was with Shaq putting up incredible numbers 29/17..

    Lakers swept the Kings in 2001 with Shaq averaging 33/19 and Kobe averaging 35/9... Every game besides game 3 was decided by 6 points or less..

    Let than sink in, almost every game was decided by 6 points or less with Kobe/Shaq combing for 68/28/6 per game on incredible effeciency...

    But according to you kobe could have played significantly worse and it wouldn't have been a problem for the lakers

    And to top it off..

    1999 playoffs vs the spurs, lakers get swept even with Shaq averaging 24/13 for the series & Kobe averaging 21/7/4 (which is give or take the 25% worse level you claim they could have cruised to the finals with)

    00 Duncan is hurt, Lakers & Spurs meet again in the 01 playoffs..

    Shaq averages 27/13 (3 more points per game than the 99 spurs series)

    Kobe averages 33/7/7 and they sweep the series..

    See the difference?

    And what happened in the 00' & 02' when Kobe wasnt playing on this god mode of 32/7/6? Oh that's right Lakers got taken to game 7's each year..

    Now please take this ether and STFU with your bogus claims.

    Complete ether bro.



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