Why are people overhyping the Bulls? They need to rebuild

[christian1923]

It's crazy how people can hate a guy because he hasn't been able to stay healthy.

[Fawker]

It's crazy how people can hate a guy because he hasn't been able to stay healthy.

because he eating up all the damn money

[kamil]

"They lack scoring and shooters" is just a tired cliche everyone spews about the Bulls because of past seasons. It couldn't be further from the trust this time, they've added a ton of offensive weapons to the roster. The Bulls have arguably the most balanced roster offensively and defensively next to San Antonio.

Rose, Gasol, Noah, Mirotic, Butler, Taj, McBuckets, Dunleavy Snell, Brooks is quite a bit offense. Especially with their bench..Brooks/Snell/McBuckets/Mirotic/Taj is an elite offensive bench with shooters at 4 positions. The only way they'd have trouble scoring is if Rose went down again..as even then they have a hell of a lot more offense than the team that just won 48 games this past season.

2nd round exit

Barring injuries, they're contenders.

I think they're only possibly contenders as a top Eastern team. IMO, there's no chance in hell are they contenders to take it all, they're not getting past a Western team.

[Rameek]

It's hard to have confidence when Rose and Noah have a terrible injury history. Outside of that with some of the additions they made they should be top 3 if healthy.

[christian1923]

because he eating up all the damn money

Still not his fault.

[poido123]

I think they're only possibly contenders as a top Eastern team. IMO, there's no chance in hell are they contenders to take it all, they're not getting past a Western team.

I disagree.

I think they should beat any west team, but have problems with the spurs.

[SamuraiSWISH]

We have no idea how well rookies Mirotic, McDermott, and 35 year old Gasol will play next year, or fit into the current system. Aaron Brooks hasn't been anything special in recent years, and it was foolish to let go DJ Augustine.

Still don't know what Derrick Rose will be like out there, if at all. Thibs will squeeze the most juice out of them as possible, but we'll still have a ceiling during the playoffs. We don't have the proven scoring necessary to really be a contender. It's not saying much right now that we will be in the upper echelon of the eastern conference.

Couldn't even beat the Bullets last year, but people want to hype this team up based off some slight, yet unproven new talent, and an ancient Pau Gasol? Give me a break.

Chicago Bull fandom is filled to the brim with lovable, yet overly prideful hypebeasts. We don't have great talent on this team. It's a bunch of hard workers, a soon to be 35 year old Gasol, and Derrick Rose who has missed the past two seasons. They're not ... that ... frightening in reality.

[poido123]

We have no idea how well rookies Mirotic, McDermott, and 35 year old Gasol will play next year, or fit into the current system. Aaron Brooks hasn't been anything special in recent years, and it was foolish to let go DJ Augustine.

Still don't know what Derrick Rose will be like out there, if at all. Thibs will squeeze the most juice out of them as possible, but we'll still have a ceiling during the playoffs. We don't have the proven scoring necessary to really be a contender. It's not saying much right now that we will be in the upper echelon of the eastern conference.

Couldn't even beat the Bullets last year, but people want to hype this team up based off some slight, yet unproven new talent, and an ancient Pau Gasol? Give me a break.

Chicago Bull fandom is filled to the brim with lovable, yet overly prideful hypebeasts. We don't have great talent on this team. It's a bunch of hard workers, a soon to be 35 year old Gasol, and Derrick Rose who has missed the past two seasons. They're not ... that ... frightening in reality.

Read milbucks post swish and then give yourself an uppercut to wake up.

Of course a lot depends on injuries, but we are analyzing a bulls team based on being healthy.

We have shooters, we have elite passing bigmen, we have a deep front line, we have specialist defenders as key positions, we have a good mix of experience and youth and of course an awesome coach who will vaslty improve the defense of the newcomers.

The management got it right this time. They drafted scorers, got a scoring post big man, drafted and signed elite shooters. All areas we needed help with.

While we lack players who can break guys off the dribble, we have excellent passers in our starting unit to overcome that. A bit like the spurs model and how most of the lane penetration comes from parker, then a spread of shooters and good passers to break down defenses.

[navy]

Can any of the new blood create for themselves?

[poido123]

Can any of the new blood create for themselves?

Dougie and bairstow can. Both scorers out of college with an array of posts moves.

Doug is also an excellent off the ball offensive player. He gets to spaces to find a shot much like ray ray.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Read milbucks post swish and then give yourself an uppercut to wake up/

Don't take my objectivity for cynicsm. I'm speaking to the reality of the situation. We'll be competitive. Good even. At this point we can't comment because we don't know how healthy Rose is, how young Gasol will look, or how the rookies will be against actual NBA comp. Not summer league, not euroball.

Slap yourself for drinking the koolaid too early. We have depth, defense, hustle dorks, size, and a coach who treats mid January games like it's game 7 in June. He'll squeeze the juice out of us in the regular season, but he doesn't know how to slowly ramp it up for more elite levels of basketball.

We'll have a good, possibly great regular season. Our performance in the playoffs annually reveals our actual quality, and our true weaknesses. In this conference it won't matter much. You're a fool if you think we are confidently better than any of the following: Portland, Houston, Dallas, OKC, Golden State, or San Antonio.

Don't be a Luvabull dancer, be honest with yourself about this team. Not many Bulls fans are capable of that sadly. I'm not one of them. We have plenty of flaws, and question marks.

[Milbuck]

We have no idea how well rookies Mirotic, McDermott, and 35 year old Gasol will play next year, or fit into the current system. Aaron Brooks hasn't been anything special in recent years, and it was foolish to let go DJ Augustine.

Still don't know what Derrick Rose will be like out there, if at all. Thibs will squeeze the most juice out of them as possible, but we'll still have a ceiling during the playoffs. We don't have the proven scoring necessary to really be a contender. It's not saying much right now that we will be in the upper echelon of the eastern conference.

Couldn't even beat the Bullets last year, but people want to hype this team up based off some slight, yet unproven new talent, and an ancient Pau Gasol? Give me a break.

Chicago Bull fandom is filled to the brim with lovable, yet overly prideful hypebeasts. We don't have great talent on this team. It's a bunch of hard workers, a soon to be 35 year old Gasol, and Derrick Rose who has missed the past two seasons. They're not ... that ... frightening in reality.

Dude..I understand you're trying to temper expectations, as any rational fan of a team normally should, but this time there's a genuine reason to be excited for the Bulls. Of course there's a bunch of question marks, there always is when you make big changes. But that's exactly what they are...big changes.

Say what you will about Pau Gasol, he's still one of the most effective big men in the game. As much as his athleticism has faded..his post moves, his ability to stretch the floor as a 4 or 5, his elite passing ability for his position, his leadership, etc are all still there. The Bulls finally have a reliable scoring option in the post - pretty much what Boozer was supposed to be but never lived up to. Defensively he's not elite by any stretch, but he blocked more shots last year than Boozer did in his entire tenure with the Bulls, and he gives you size in the frontline that Chicago has lacked since losing Asik. Gasol put up 17/10/3/2/1 last season..if just 85% of that game can translate to a 25-30mpg role with the Bulls, it'll be huge.

Then you have Mirotic, Snell, and McBuckets..none of these guys (most likely) are going to start, and it's not like they have to be all-stars next year. But watching SL, Snell looks like a completely different player. SL doesn't mean much in terms of the way players actually produce..but it does give you a decent indication of how players have improved, their strengths, their weaknesses, etc. Last year he looked like a fringe NBA player with absolutely zero confidence. Now he looks damn near overconfident...he's a sniper from range, his handles are tighter, he looks stronger, and again, he's got confidence you just didn't see last year. McBuckets looks terrific as well. It's not like he's a 'project' rookie coming off a 1 and done season..he's as close to NBA-ready as you can get for his style of play, and it's showing. Mirotic is the biggest unknown. But going against Noah and Taj in practice, being coached by Thibs, and especially being mentored by Gasol, he's in just about the perfect situation for his transition to the NBA. And it's not like he's starting..with the FC depth he's probably not even gonna crack 20-24mpg unless someone goes down.

Then you have Rose..we can debate all day about how well he's gonna return..but according to all reports he's as quick/explosive as he ever was. It's gonna take time for him to shake off the rust and get used to NBA game speed..but it's more plausible than not to expect him to return to all star level if not 100% of who he was. And even if he returns to only 75-80% of his MVP form..that's still a great player capable of leading you through the East.

I'll say it again..this is the most balanced two-way roster the Bulls have had in the Rose/Noah/Thibs and since the Jordan era. No one is already celebrating and nothing is certain right now, but there's definitely cause for some excitement. The front office has done a hell of a job since missing out on Melo.

a coach who treats mid January games like it's game 7 in June. He'll squeeze the juice out of us in the regular season, but he doesn't know how to slowly ramp it up for more elite levels of basketball.

Well it's not like he's had that much depth the past couple years. Aside from Deng and now Butler, especially with this roster, he's not drive anyone into the ground. The front office has just recently stated that minutes management and maintaining health for the postseason is one of their biggest priorities for the season, and a big driving force of how they assembled the team and dealt with free agency.

You're a fool if you think we are confidently better than any of the following: Portland, Houston, Dallas, OKC, Golden State, or San Antonio.

Come on now..now you're being pessimistic. San Antonio and OKC I get. But Portland, Houston, Dallas, and Golden State? Really? There is nothing wrong with thinking that the Bulls as presently constructed can be better than them.

[poido123]

Don't take my objectivity for cynicsm. I'm speaking to the reality of the situation. We'll be competitive. Good even. At this point we can't comment because we don't know how healthy Rose is, how young Gasol will look, or how the rookies will be against actual NBA comp. Not summer league, not euroball.

Slap yourself for drinking the koolaid too early. We have depth, defense, hustle dorks, size, and a coach who treats mid January games like it's game 7 in June. He'll squeeze the juice out of us in the regular season, but he doesn't know how to slowly ramp it up for more elite levels of basketball.

We'll have a good, possibly great regular season. Our performance in the playoffs annually reveals our actual quality, and our true weaknesses. In this conference it won't matter much. You're a fool if you think we are confidently better than any of the following: Portland, Houston, Dallas, OKC, Golden State, or San Antonio.

Don't be a Luvabull dancer, be honest with yourself about this team. Not many Bulls fans are capable of that sadly. I'm not one of them. We have plenty of flaws, and question marks.

Our team pre-rose injuries had glaring weaknesses and looked handcuffed around rose and what he creates.

This current team has more variety. More elite passers, more elite shooters, and guys who can post up and get points.

We no longer have to rely on Deng and his one dimensional straight line drives, or boozer going soft and throwing up moon ball fadeaways. We dont have keith brick bogans as a scoring blackhole in our starting lineup, we now have an elite sf defender(butler) who will be crucial against direct rivals like spurs and cavs.

I outlined that we have a lack of players who can break guys off the dribble, but everywhere else is solid to overcome this weakness.

[imnew09]

I disagree.

I think they should beat any west team, but have problems with the spurs.

LOL are you kidding me? No way this Bulls team can get past OKC, Clippers, Spurs like you said, Dallas, Warriors, Lakers(i'm bias)

[poido123]

LOL are you kidding me? No way this Bulls team can get past OKC, Clippers, Spurs like you said, Dallas, Warriors, Lakers(i'm bias)

I'll give you okc, they can cause some problems too. Warriors would be tough, but I think we'd still win.

Those other teams have glaring weaknesses we can exploit though.

Lakers and houston lol