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Re: Rookie Wade won a playoff series with Odom as sidekick, Kobe in his prime couldn't?
Originally Posted by chazzy
No, people say his recent all defensive teams are based on reputation. You're saying he never defended well and was given awards because he was popular. But the Lebron example I gave goes completely against that. So you've got nothing
Its not just pure popularity, it's narrative. You think the guys who fill these out arent influenced by trends in mainstream thinking?
Kibe was getting all the MJ comparisons during his career, and MJ was known as a defensive beast, and the assistants who fill these things out were aware of the narrative and clearly fed into it. They assume if Kibe is the new MJ and the 'ultimate competitor' and all the cliches, he must be a stud on defense. Just like the way fans mindlessly assume all sorts of stuff. Look on team benches. A lot of these assistant coaches are guys you think 'wtf, hes an assistant now??' Its not exactly an institute of basketball scholars. Its a known fact coaches give these surveys and polls to their gofers to fill out. Moreover, the voters dont even care. They jot down the consensus.
The narrative this year was that Paul George emerged as an elite defensive player. You think any voter sat down and compared Bran and George side by side either on video or in stats? Of course not. These things are not taken seriously, and whatever the popluar narrative is almost always plays out.
Kibe was supposed to be the new MJ, and MJ was an all-D guy so they made Kibe an all-D guy. But everyone knows he wasnt. End of story.
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Re: Rookie Wade won a playoff series with Odom as sidekick, Kobe in his prime couldn't?
Originally Posted by SexSymbol
He is.
Stop responding to a known troll, he does not have any friends or somebody to talk to at least so he has to "troll" the basketball forum.
This is like the fifth user name youve tried to bait me with in the last hour alone
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Re: Rookie Wade won a playoff series with Odom as sidekick, Kobe in his prime couldn't?
Well, because Brian Grant who was a stud (probably better than Haslem when you compare their prime by all counts) Just disappeared once being traded to LA.
Then Caron Butler was traded for Kwame Brown. Who, may have very well make an all star appearance or two had he stayed with the Lakers. I'll even say this, that had he stayed with the Lakers, there's no reason to think he wouldn't be better or have a better career than lets say Deng.
When looking back, we can even say a rookie Wade essentially won a series with the eventual sixth man of the playoffs (because Odom won 2 rings coming off the bench). While Kobe in his prime couldn't win a series with the eventual sixth man of the playoffs.
Unless you can somehow really justify how Wade>Kobe now knowing how the majority of their career will pan out. It's safe to say you'd have to take the rest of the roster they had to play with into consideration.
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Re: Rookie Wade won a playoff series with Odom as sidekick, Kobe in his prime couldn't?
Originally Posted by Akrazotile
Kibe was supposed to be the new MJ, and MJ was an all-D guy so they made Kibe an all-D guy. But everyone knows he wasnt. End of story.
He never handchecked anyone. I'll agree with you on that.
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Re: Rookie Wade won a playoff series with Odom as sidekick, Kobe in his prime couldn't?
Originally Posted by chazzy
That's the only thing you seem to remember. So, if coaches just blindly put popular players on all defensive teams, why didn't Lebron make a 1st OR 2nd team until 2009? Why did Iguodala make it above Lebron this year?
The media voted for the award this year.
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Re: Rookie Wade won a playoff series with Odom as sidekick, Kobe in his prime couldn't?
Originally Posted by Akrazotile
Its not just pure popularity, it's narrative. You think the guys who fill these out arent influenced by trends in mainstream thinking?
Kibe was getting all the MJ comparisons during his career, and MJ was known as a defensive beast, and the assistants who fill these things out were aware of the narrative and clearly fed into it. They assume if Kibe is the new MJ and the 'ultimate competitor' and all the cliches, he must be a stud on defense. Just like the way fans mindlessly assume all sorts of stuff. Look on team benches. A lot of these assistant coaches are guys you think 'wtf, hes an assistant now??' Its not exactly an institute of basketball scholars. Its a known fact coaches give these surveys and polls to their gofers to fill out. Moreover, the voters dont even care. They jot down the consensus.
The narrative this year was that Paul George emerged as an elite defensive player. You think any voter sat down and compared Bran and George side by side either on video or in stats? Of course not. These things are not taken seriously, and whatever the popluar narrative is almost always plays out.
Kibe was supposed to be the new MJ, and MJ was an all-D guy so they made Kibe an all-D guy. But everyone knows he wasnt. End of story.
Why didn't Lebron, the most hyped player ever, the chosen one... reap the same benefits until 09?
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Re: Rookie Wade won a playoff series with Odom as sidekick, Kobe in his prime couldn't?
Originally Posted by chazzy
Why didn't Lebron, the most hyped player ever, the chosen one... reap the same benefits until 09?
Because Kevin Garnett and Tim Duncan.
If they didnt do it by position and just picked the top 5, Bran would have probably taken Kibe's spot much earlier.
But again, you're grasping for logical loopholes and formalities. Everyone onows Kibe was never an elite defensive player, ever. Even the stans cant actually come up with examples or cite any evidence, they simply rely on 'all-d team' over and over. Nobody's buyin it.
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Re: Rookie Wade won a playoff series with Odom as sidekick, Kobe in his prime couldn't?
Originally Posted by Akrazotile
Because Kevin Garnett and Tim Duncan.
.. and household names like Kirilenko, Bowen, Prince etc? You know, the popular guys? Remember, he didn't make 2nd team either.
But again, you're grasping for logical loopholes and formalities.
I'm not the one grasping here. It's just fun watching you scramble for excuses to support your dumb initial theory, as usual
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Re: Rookie Wade won a playoff series with Odom as sidekick, Kobe in his prime couldn't?
Originally Posted by chazzy
.. and household names like Kirilenko, Bowen, Prince etc? You know, the popular guys? Remember, he didn't make 2nd team either.
I'm not the one grasping here. It's just fun watching you scramble for excuses to support your dumb initial theory, as usual
Bran >>> Kibe on defense
Bran >>> Kibe on offense
It is what it is. Deal with your life.
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