Kobe 2007

[Electric Slide]

TS% and PER are just BS.

I haven't seen a person that can explain that 0.44 multiplier properly. Everyone defends TS%, says it's being used for eliminate technicals and and-ones. But noone care to calculate season by season the actual numbers for them. Even so-called analysts.

Best explanation here

The 0.44 multiplier is in place as a correction for all situation where FT's do not come in pairs. (Or else the FT multiplier would be 0.5 to signal 2 x 0.5= 1 possession) Studies have been done showing the 0.44 to be an appropriate number when looking at league wide, large sample sizes. It's not arbitrary. Or perfect.

[Kblaze8855]

So its kinda like in PER where dude just decides what he feels is right to value certian things?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kapono is less efficient as a scorer but more efficient as a shooter.

Obviously if you want to determine who is a better 3 pt shooter, you would use 3p% and that's it, but if you to see who scores the most efficiently then TS% is the one you use.

No offense, but you're not doing a very good job of explaining these 'metrics'. The more you type the less likely people will use them.

[Young X]

If you're just looking at overall scoring efficiency alone, TS% is the best stat to use, because it also includes the points players get from free throws and 3 pointers.

Just looking at percentages doesn't tell you how many times a player gets to the line, or how many 3's a player makes.

Player A goes 8/16 from the field, 1/2 from 3 and 5/9 from the line

Player B goes 7/16 from the field, 3/4 from 3 and 8/9 from the line

Both players used the same amount of possessions. Player A shot a higher FG% but who scored more points per possession?

[Electric Slide]

No offense, but you're not doing a very good job of explaining these 'metrics'. The more you type the less likely people will use them.

feel free to explain them better. I'm not really explaining either. I'm just quoting others explanations.

So its kinda like in PER where dude just decides what he feels is right to value certian things?

It's kind of like PER yes but we are just specifically talking about scoring in this case whereas PER is a giant stat that needs a special calculator to be calculated.

[Odinn]

So its kinda like in PER where dude just decides what he feels is right to value certian things?

Don't bother. The stans aren't gonna accept that those made-up stats are just BS.

[WayOfWade]

TS% and PER are just BS.

PER is not BS. If anything, it reflects greatness. Here are the top 10 all time leaders in PER: MJ, LeBron, Shaq, David Robinson, Wilt, CP3, D-Wade, Bob Petitt, Tim Duncan, & Neil Johnson. That's a pretty good top ten. If its such a BS stat, why are the best players so good at it?

[K Xerxes]

Best explanation here

So... the 0.44 comes from a LEAGUE WIDE study. Surely it would be more accurate to post a line of FG/3PT/FT instead of allowing a margin of error where someone averages above or less 0.44 (which will pretty much always happen?)

PER is not BS. If anything, it reflects greatness. Here are the top 10 all time leaders in PER: MJ, LeBron, Shaq, David Robinson, Wilt, CP3, D-Wade, Bob Petitt, Tim Duncan, & Neil Johnson. That's a pretty good top ten. If its such a BS stat, why are the best players so good at it?

Is this a joke?

PER is a joke.

[Young X]

^PER is useful if you want to know how productive/efficient a player is per posession/minute. David Robinson, CP3, Wade, Pettit were extremely productive players per minute/possession.

[WayOfWade]

Is this a joke?

PER is a joke.

The only player that couldn't be constituted as great is Neil Johnson. Everyone else is a great player. The only ones that can't be constituted as all-time greats are Neil, CP3, and Bob Petitt (Petitt still could, era guy)
So that's 9/10 for individual talent greatness, and 7/10 for career greatness. It's not perfect (nothing is) but it's a good stat. I'm not saying PER is the most important stat in history, it's far from it, but to say it's BS and a joke is downright ignorant and stupid.

[lefthook00]

This was after knee surgery and weight gain and no hops until the 2nd half of the season. If he was healthy the whole season, he would have gone even crazier than he did in 05-06.

[avonbarksdale]

i remember earlier this year durant had a bad shooting night, 8/20 or someting like that, but was 22/22 from the line


that is efficient, going to the line on 11 shots realistically he would have gotten a lot of those in boosting his fg%

[Odinn]

PER is not BS. If anything, it reflects greatness. Here are the top 10 all time leaders in PER: MJ, LeBron, Shaq, David Robinson, Wilt, CP3, D-Wade, Bob Petitt, Tim Duncan, & Neil Johnson. That's a pretty good top ten. If its such a BS stat, why are the best players so good at it?

Is your D-Wade316 account banned?

[Psileas]

PER is not BS. If anything, it reflects greatness. Here are the top 10 all time leaders in PER: MJ, LeBron, Shaq, David Robinson, Wilt, CP3, D-Wade, Bob Petitt, Tim Duncan, & Neil Johnson. That's a pretty good top ten. If its such a BS stat, why are the best players so good at it?

The thing is, we can create lots of arbitrary stats whose leaders are all-time greats. Even simple stats are good at it. Here are the all-time leaders at mpg:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._g_career.html

Of course, you will not agree at all that Kareem should be 32nd, Jordan 15th and Bird 13th, below Jerry Lucas and Sprewell. But how is having Kareem 12th, Magic 13th, Bird 17th, West 23rd, Havlicek 155th (!) and Bill Russell 97th (!!) anywhere near a great evaluation?

[Jacks3]

His end of the season scoring binge has to be one of the most impressive individual feats.

Phil gives him the green light to shoot while LA is on a 6 game losing streak and the result is 65 and win vs Portland, eventually four consecutive 50+ games including another 60 point game, all in wins, and then 43 to make the winning streak 5.

In fact, from the Portland game until the end of the season, Kobe averaged 40.3 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 4.4 apg on 47.3% shooting, 35.3% on 3s and 88.5% from the line for an eFG% of 50.9% and 57.9 TS% and only 2.8 turnovers per game over his final 17 games.

I can't think of a time period in recent NBA history where a player scoring 50 seemed as ordinary as Kobe during that final month or so. In fact, he scored at least 50 in seven of those final 17 games, and at least 40 in 9 of those games.