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    Default Re: Emmanuel Mudiay is dominating China. Number one pick next year?

    Quote Originally Posted by kshutts1
    Those guys never did it as college players. Smith is a seasoned pro. Yes, he'd do it.
    Rookie Melo, Curry and KD were all better players and scorers than JR Smith ever was. You can think he could go off for 60 if you want but it's a fact that there are a lot of great college players that not only never did it but never came close to doing it. Many of whom went on to NBA greatness. But some part-time starting low basketball IQ chucker will? No, he won't.

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    I think he made the right decision. In China he can gain some confidence and experience by playing against former NBA players.

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    I think he's going to be a better pro than Wiggins. He has that alpha male, swagger looking aura.

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    Chineese league is weird place, every team has like 3 players that do everything for their team so their stats are through the roof and other players on the team are mostly chinese.

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    Default Re: Emmanuel Mudiay is dominating China. Number one pick next year?

    Quote Originally Posted by Real Men Wear Green
    Rookie Melo, Curry and KD were all better players and scorers than JR Smith ever was. You can think he could go off for 60 if you want but it's a fact that there are a lot of great college players that not only never did it but never came close to doing it. Many of whom went on to NBA greatness. But some part-time starting low basketball IQ chucker will? No, he won't.
    the equivalent wouldn't be 60 but that amount compensated for by the fewer minutes in the college game and the fact that its played in halves.

    JR could score 50 in a college game. The line is too easy of a shot for him and he has no conscience. I could see him 15-16 threes in a game. Just my opinion after watching his game develop from age 10-now. Even a 18 year old JR likely has a 40+ point game.

    oh, and in D3 on a team that played very uptempo like Grinnell he would prob have a game close to 100. He is that good of a streak shooter and no one would be able to really contest his shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IGOTGAME
    the equivalent wouldn't be 60 but that amount compensated for by the fewer minutes in the college game and the fact that its played in halves.

    JR could score 50 in a college game. The line is too easy of a shot for him and he has no conscience. I could see him 15-16 threes in a game. Just my opinion after watching his game develop from age 10-now. Even a 18 year old JR likely has a 40+ point game.

    oh, and in D3 on a team that played very uptempo like Grinnell he would prob have a game close to 100. He is that good of a streak shooter and no one would be able to really contest his shot.

    That one guy scored almost 140 points in the Grinnell offense. Vs a garbage scrub D3 team, but still.

    I have a really, really difficult time believing that current JR Smith, given a neon-green light on a D1 college team, would not be able to put up a 50 or 60 point game ONCE during the season. And from a shorter 3pt line no less.

    Am I expected to believe that Melo could drop 62 on the Bobcats, but wouldn't be able to drop 62 on a college team? Even with the reduced play time, D1 zone defense is that much better at preventing scoring than NBA defenses?

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    If Smith was allowed to just shoot every time he touched the ball on a team that gave no thought to team concepts? Ok, he could go off on some game. But serious teams, like the ones in major D1 basketball, have goals beyond getting one player as many points as possible. If a guy like Carmelo Anthony or Doug McDermott is never able to put up 60 or even 50 why is some coach going to hurt his own team by telling Smith to go out there and take 35+ shots every game instead of running an offense that is actually conducive to winning? Almost every coach Smith has ever had in the NBA has put him on some kind of leash. In the NBA he hasn't even gotten to start half the time. But all of a sudden he gets this ridiculous green light, why?

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    Default Re: Emmanuel Mudiay is dominating China. Number one pick next year?

    Quote Originally Posted by Real Men Wear Green
    If Smith was allowed to just shoot every time he touched the ball on a team that gave no thought to team concepts? Ok, he could go off on some game. But serious teams, like the ones in major D1 basketball, have goals beyond getting one player as many points as possible. If a guy like Carmelo Anthony or Doug McDermott is never able to put up 60 or even 50 why is some coach going to hurt his own team by telling Smith to go out there and take 35+ shots every game instead of running an offense that is actually conducive to winning? Almost every coach Smith has ever had in the NBA has put him on some kind of leash. In the NBA he hasn't even gotten to start half the time. But all of a sudden he gets this ridiculous green light, why?
    If JR could score 43 off the bench in the NBA then he could definitely drop 50 in college as a starter.

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    Default Re: Emmanuel Mudiay is dominating China. Number one pick next year?

    Quote Originally Posted by Real Men Wear Green
    If Smith was allowed to just shoot every time he touched the ball on a team that gave no thought to team concepts? Ok, he could go off on some game. But serious teams, like the ones in major D1 basketball, have goals beyond getting one player as many points as possible. If a guy like Carmelo Anthony or Doug McDermott is never able to put up 60 or even 50 why is some coach going to hurt his own team by telling Smith to go out there and take 35+ shots every game instead of running an offense that is actually conducive to winning? Almost every coach Smith has ever had in the NBA has put him on some kind of leash. In the NBA he hasn't even gotten to start half the time. But all of a sudden he gets this ridiculous green light, why?
    Carmelo in college isn't Carmelo now, though. 60 points is a very high bar, especially with the shorter college game. But you don't think a modern Carmelo could score 50 during a college season against non-crap D1 teams, and win that game? Obviously the offense would be built 100% around Melo.

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    Default Re: Emmanuel Mudiay is dominating China. Number one pick next year?

    Quote Originally Posted by oarabbus
    Carmelo in college isn't Carmelo now, though. 60 points is a very high bar, especially with the shorter college game. But you don't think a modern Carmelo could score 50 during a college season against non-crap D1 teams, and win that game? Obviously the offense would be built 100% around Melo.
    Carmel in college is still a better player and scorer than Smith has ever been, so if he doesn't do it in college then why does Smith? When's the last time we saw 50 in the ACC? SEC? NCAA d1 overall? It's extremely rare and Smith isn't that special of a player.

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    Default Re: Emmanuel Mudiay is dominating China. Number one pick next year?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cocaine80s
    If JR could score 43 off the bench in the NBA then he could definitely drop 50 in college as a starter.
    That's one time in what, 600+ games?

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    Default Re: Emmanuel Mudiay is dominating China. Number one pick next year?

    Quote Originally Posted by Real Men Wear Green
    Carmel in college is still a better player and scorer than Smith has ever been, so if he doesn't do it in college then why does Smith? When's the last time we saw 50 in the ACC? SEC? NCAA d1 overall? It's extremely rare and Smith isn't that special of a player.
    I see where you're coming from. But how about if LeBron decided to go to college for two years? Would he also not be able to drop 50?

    There's a disconnect between the statement that no one has dropped 50+ in the conferences in question (which is true) and the implied suggestion that therefore it CANNOT be done, using an NBA player transplanted onto a D1 team (which I am not sure about).

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    Default Re: Emmanuel Mudiay is dominating China. Number one pick next year?

    Quote Originally Posted by Real Men Wear Green
    That's one time in what, 600+ games?
    So you really think the chance of him scoring 50 in college is 0%?

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    Default Re: Emmanuel Mudiay is dominating China. Number one pick next year?

    Quote Originally Posted by oarabbus
    I see where you're coming from. But how about if LeBron decided to go to college for two years? Would he also not be able to drop 50?

    There's a disconnect between the statement that no one has dropped 50+ in the conferences in question (which is true) and the implied suggestion that therefore it CANNOT be done, using an NBA player transplanted onto a D1 team (which I am not sure about).
    James as a player is actually the prime example of a player that can do certain things but doesn't because the circumstances aren't right. He could have had a number of scoring titles if that was his focus but he likes passing and doesn't take over the fourth quarter as a scorer the way we expect a player of his caliber to. I actually doubt he gets 50 because the few games he would be on that kind of pace are probably blowout wins and he gets rested early.

    If he went to college for a few seasons Kobe might have done it. Ditto Durant.

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    Default Re: Emmanuel Mudiay is dominating China. Number one pick next year?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cocaine80s
    So you really think the chance of him scoring 50 in college is 0%?
    No. More like 3.872.

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