More impressive title, Wade in 06 or KG in 08?

[Dresta]

Ok then lets break this down

Regular season
Wade- 27\7\6\2\1 with a worse supporting cast #2 seed
KG- 19\9\3\1\1 with arguably the GOAT supporting cast #1 seed

Not much debate here, Wade was better all around.

Playoffs
Wade- 28.5\6\6\2\1 50% FG (16-7 Record)
KG- 20\11\3\1\1 50% FG (16-10 Record)

Numbers Wade once again was better all around.

Throughout the first 2 rounds, Garnett and the 66-16 Celtics allowed the 35-47 win HAWKS to take them to 7 games, and the 45-47 win CAVS to take them to 7 games.
Wade and the Heat took care of business, bouncing the 41-41 Bulls in 6 and 49-33 Nets in 5.

During the Conference Finals, both teams took out the Pistons in 6 games. However, the 2005-2006 version of the Pistons was MUCH better than the 2007-2008 version, and the Heat did it without HCA while the Celtics had HCA.

Finals
Wade- 35\8\4\2\1
Garnett- 18\11\3\1\1

This is where this becomes a stupid debate. The Heat beat the 62 win MAVS team in 6 without HCA, with Wade having one of the greatest finals ever. Heat were down 0-2 and down 13 points in the 4th quarter in game 3, and Wade took over, his last 4 games he scored 42,36,43 and 36 points respectively. That being in his 3rd season in the NBA.

Celtics beat the 57 win Lakers in 6 with HCA, while Garnett having a good series, didn't even win FMVP on his team.

Other points
Wades second option in Shaq averaged 13 PPG in the Finals, while Garnett
had 2 players score 20+ PPG in the Finals.

The Heat faced 2 60+ Teams in the playoffs without HCA
Celtics faced none. Despite that, the Heat finished with a 16-7 playoff record to Bostons 16-10

Wade won the FMVP, while Garnett did not. Everyone with a brain knows Wade>>>> Garnett in terms of those 2 runs.

/thread.

[Akhenaten]

When are people gonna understand that a championship run includes the regular season, Playoffs, and Finals? With the way people only bring up the Finals, you'd think Cedric Maxwell was the man on the 1981 Celtics. Wade had a really good Finals series, but he had Shaq commanding double teams to free him up (and the refs calling everything in his favor). KG was DPOY, 3rd in MVP voting, was his teams leading scorer, rebounder, and defensive anchor in the Playoffs, and led a better team than Wade did.

KG playoffs: 20/11 1stl 1blk 49.5%
KG reg season: 19/9 1stl 1blk 54%

Wade Reg season: 27/7/6 2stls 1blk 50%
Wade playoffs: 28/6/6 2stls 1 blk 50%

Don't have a problem with someone taking KG, but to pretend as if Wade was some guy along for the ride, even have the gall to like him to Cedric Maxwell

Jesus Christ yall love disrespecting this dude, I just don't get it
Wade lead his team in scoring in the regular season and playoffs, KG "lead" his team in scoring by a fraction of a point.

Wade lead his team in points, asts, stl reg season and playoffs
It comes do to how you assess KG's defensive impact vs Wade's offensive impact.

I feel Wade had to carry the Heat offense much more than KG had to carry Boston's D. The Celtics had a MUCH better roster than Miami. Again, you can favour KG and still act like you have some damn sense.

Cedric Fing Maxwell?

[tpols]

@ people saying wade > garnett in the regular season

Wade 6th in MVP voting in a year steve nash won it
Garnett 3rd in MVP voting in a year peak kobe and almost peak paul won it


Gilbert Arenas had the same stats basically that Wade had in that regular season... Is Arenas > Garnett to because he put up over 27 ppg in a year the NBA was begging its perimeter superstars to score? Especially given wades slashing/foul baiting style of play 27 ppg in a year that was a full 8ppg off the leader isnt that impressive.

Id take garnetts best defense in the league by far over wades 5th best scoring.


In the playoffs? Shaq was better than any of Garnetts teammates in their run through the east. Shaq averaged 20/10 throughout their eastern conference competition including 22/11 on 66%FG against the pistons in the ecf And they say Shaq wasnt dominant at all.

In the Finals? Yea Wade beat a team with extreme ref bias that gave him more FTs than anyone in the history of basketball besides peak shaq and wilt chamerlain, who were intentionally fouled for their lack of shooting ability.

Meanwhile Garnett anchored arguably a top 3-5 defense in the history of the league.. He took boston from a below average 16th ranked defense to the 1st ranked defense overnight. Shut down peak pau gasol, and his help defense helped shut down peak kobe in the Finals. Pure impact.


I would definitely take 2008 Garnett as a player over 2006 Wade and to act like its not debateable is absurd.

[ArbitraryWater]

@ people saying wade > garnett in the regular season

Wade 6th in MVP voting in a year steve nash won it
Garnett 3rd in MVP voting in a year peak kobe and almost peak paul won it


Gilbert Arenas had the same stats basically that Wade had in that regular season... Is Arenas > Garnett to because he put up over 27 ppg in a year the NBA was begging its perimeter superstars to score? Especially given wades slashing/foul baiting style of play 27 ppg in a year that was a full 8ppg off the leader isnt that impressive.

Id take garnetts best defense in the league by far over wades 5th best scoring.


In the playoffs? Shaq was better than any of Garnetts teammates in their run through the east. Shaq averaged 20/10 throughout their eastern conference competition including 22/11 on 66%FG against the pistons in the ecf And they say Shaq wasnt dominant at all.

In the Finals? Yea Wade beat a team with extreme ref bias that gave him more FTs than anyone in the history of basketball besides peak shaq and wilt chamerlain, who were intentionally fouled for their lack of shooting ability.

Meanwhile Garnett anchored arguably a top 3-5 defense in the history of the league.. He took boston from a below average 16th ranked defense to the 1st ranked defense overnight. Shut down peak pau gasol, and his help defense helped shut down peak kobe in the Finals. Pure impact.


I would definitely take 2008 Garnett as a player over 2006 Wade and to act like its not debateable is absurd.

Yea I was a little thrown off by his "2006 RS Wade > 2008 RS KG not much to be said here" opening Point... 2008 KG was pretty easily the better regular season performer..

[tpols]

I feel Wade had to carry the Heat offense much more than KG had to carry Boston's D.
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False. Garnett improved the Celtics defense arguably more than any superstar ever has basically overnight. 16th to 1st.. shutdown LA in the Finals when they were peaking.. he literally turned a below average defense into an all time great.

[Real14]

I would say 08 but K.G had help with two team leaders in pierce and allen. So my answer is neither.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Numbers aren't everything here. KG was playing some ATG defense. But still it's really close

[Nowitness]

KG for sure. When you turn a team from 16 wins to 23 loses, bring a defense first mentality and are the best defender (by far) and a team that won through defense I'd give it to you. Deserved his second MVP also.

Wade was good, but Shaq/Refs played too big a role.

[Real14]

KG for sure. When you turn a team from 16 wins to 23 loses, bring a defense first mentality and are the best defender (by far) and a team that won through defense I'd give it to you. Deserved his second MVP also.

Wade was good, but Shaq/Refs played too big a role.

Look at how stacked his team was though, he was one of the reasons why Lebron went to Miami in 2010.

[Smoke117]

KG for sure. When you turn a team from 16 wins to 23 loses, bring a defense first mentality and are the best defender (by far) and a team that won through defense I'd give it to you. Deserved his second MVP also.

Wade was good, but Shaq/Refs played too big a role.

Yeah because the Celtics had the same line up besides adding Garnett. You are too correct.

[aj1987]

@ people saying wade > garnett in the regular season

Wade 6th in MVP voting in a year steve nash won it
Garnett 3rd in MVP voting in a year peak kobe and almost peak paul won it

So, Nash and Dirk >>> Kobe in '06? Kobe basically got the same number of votes as Billups. '06 Billups = '06 Kobe?

Gilbert Arenas had the same stats basically that Wade had in that regular season... Is Arenas > Garnett to because he put up over 27 ppg in a year the NBA was begging its perimeter superstars to score? Especially given wades slashing/foul baiting style of play 27 ppg in a year that was a full 8ppg off the leader isnt that impressive.

Id take garnetts best defense in the league by far over wades 5th best scoring.

Arenas isn't even close to being the player Wade is. You do realize that the same logic can be used to say that KG's '08 season > almost all of Kobe's seasons, right?

Also, foul baiting and slashing? Only idiots who watch the boxscore spew that kind of crap. Wade took ~40% of his shots from midrange. More than the shots he took at the rim. Another 20% from 3-10ft. In all, he took 60% of his shots from 3ft+.

In the playoffs? Shaq was better than any of Garnetts teammates in their run through the east. Shaq averaged 20/10 throughout their eastern conference competition including 22/11 on 66%FG against the pistons in the ecf And they say Shaq wasnt dominant at all.

Wade averaged 27/5/6/2/2 on 68% TS against the Pistons, even though he scored only 15 points in the 6th game (the game in which he was mostly feeding Shaq). Dude destroyed the Pistons. Sure, Shaq was good in the first 3 rounds. Wade averaged 26/5/6/2/1 on 60% TS though. Lets also not forget that KG had Pierce AND Allen. The Heat team was basically garbage outside Wade/Shaq (some of them had their moments though Zo, GP, etc.)

Meanwhile Garnett anchored arguably a top 3-5 defense in the history of the league.. He took boston from a below average 16th ranked defense to the 1st ranked defense overnight. Shut down peak pau gasol, and his help defense helped shut down peak kobe in the Finals. Pure impact.

Wait. You think that the '07 and '08 Celtics squads were the same?

Pierce missed half the season, Rondo was a rookie, Tony Allen missed 50 games, addition of Posey, etc.

The ****ing 37 win Hawks took the Celtics to 7 games and the garbage ass Cavs took them to 7 games as well. Miami played 2 60 win teams and beat both of them in 6. They beat the number 4, 5, and 7 defenses.

Oh and Kobe choked in the '08 Finals (as he did in the 2004 Finals). Shut down Pau? Pau averaged 15/10/3 on 57% TS (only 10 shots a game). If anyone shutdown Pau, it was Kobe. If anything, Pau shutdown KG. Dude went from 21/10/4/1/1 on 56% TS in the first 3 rounds to 18/13/3/2/1 on 47% TS in the Finals.

False. Garnett improved the Celtics defense arguably more than any superstar ever has basically overnight. 16th to 1st.. shutdown LA in the Finals when they were peaking.. he literally turned a below average defense into an all time great.

O'rly? Why didn't he do the same in Minny during his PEAK. The best he could manage was 6th and Minny constantly was ~10th-15th best defensively when KG was there.

[Mass Debator]

Numbers aren't everything here. KG was playing some ATG defense. But still it's really close

And Wade played ATG offense

[tpols]

So, Nash and Dirk >>> Kobe in '06? Kobe basically got the same number of votes as Billups. '06 Billups = '06 Kobe?



Arenas isn't even close to being the player Wade is. You do realize that the same logic can be used to say that KG's '08 season > almost all of Kobe's seasons, right?

Also, foul baiting and slashing? Only idiots who watch the boxscore spew that kind of crap. Wade took ~40% of his shots from midrange. More than the shots he took at the rim. Another 20% from 3-10ft. In all, he took 60% of his shots from 3ft+.

Nah.. Wade was 5th in scoring that year. Behind guys like arenas and old iverson. Garnett was the best defensive player in the league. If wade had led the league in scoring? Maybe thered be an argument but he didnt even come close.

Wade averaged 27/5/6/2/2 on 68% TS against the Pistons, even though he scored only 15 points in the 6th game (the game in which he was mostly feeding Shaq). Dude destroyed the Pistons. Sure, Shaq was good in the first 3 rounds. Wade averaged 26/5/6/2/1 on 60% TS though. Lets also not forget that KG had Pierce AND Allen. The Heat team was basically garbage outside Wade/Shaq (some of them had their moments though Zo, GP, etc.)

Shaq was better in those first three rounds than any of KG's teammates. Fact.

Shaq was better in the ECF than any of KG's teammates were in any one series. Fact.

Shaq sucked in the Finals, but that was made up for with record breaking number of free throws that aroused suspicion.

Wait. You think that the '07 and '08 Celtics squads were the same?

Pierce missed half the season, Rondo was a rookie, Tony Allen missed 50 games, addition of Posey, etc.

When Pierce played the full season just before 2007, in 2006.. the celtics were the 20th ranked defense. They still had kenrick perkins.. they had delonte west who has always been a very good defender, they had tony allen.. still finished with a poor defense.

Pierce isnt a game changer on defense.. at you mentioning posey as a reason their overall team defense improved so dramatically.. a bench role player perimeter defender impacting the game anywhere near the level of Kevin Garnett.

KG won DPOY.

KG had a defensive rating of 94.

KG quarterbacked a historically great defense.

No one on the celtics had even CLOSE to his defensive impact using any measureable.

[ImKobe]

Ok then lets break this down

Regular season
Wade- 27\7\6\2\1 with a worse supporting cast #2 seed
KG- 19\9\3\1\1 with arguably the GOAT supporting cast #1 seed

Not much debate here, Wade was better all around.

Playoffs
Wade- 28.5\6\6\2\1 50% FG (16-7 Record)
KG- 20\11\3\1\1 50% FG (16-10 Record)

Numbers Wade once again was better all around.

Throughout the first 2 rounds, Garnett and the 66-16 Celtics allowed the 35-47 win HAWKS to take them to 7 games, and the 45-47 win CAVS to take them to 7 games.
Wade and the Heat took care of business, bouncing the 41-41 Bulls in 6 and 49-33 Nets in 5.

During the Conference Finals, both teams took out the Pistons in 6 games. However, the 2005-2006 version of the Pistons was MUCH better than the 2007-2008 version, and the Heat did it without HCA while the Celtics had HCA.

Finals
Wade- 35\8\4\2\1
Garnett- 18\11\3\1\1

This is where this becomes a stupid debate. The Heat beat the 62 win MAVS team in 6 without HCA, with Wade having one of the greatest finals ever. Heat were down 0-2 and down 13 points in the 4th quarter in game 3, and Wade took over, his last 4 games he scored 42,36,43 and 36 points respectively. That being in his 3rd season in the NBA.

Celtics beat the 57 win Lakers in 6 with HCA, while Garnett having a good series, didn't even win FMVP on his team.

Other points
Wades second option in Shaq averaged 13 PPG in the Finals, while Garnett
had 2 players score 20+ PPG in the Finals.

The Heat faced 2 60+ Teams in the playoffs without HCA
Celtics faced none. Despite that, the Heat finished with a 16-7 playoff record to Bostons 16-10

Wade won the FMVP, while Garnett did not. Everyone with a brain knows Wade>>>> Garnett in terms of those 2 runs.

And there are people still arguing after this post

[Smoke117]

i don't necessarily think Wade as better during the regular season...they had different roles and frankly KG was the man during the playoffs (he ate up Sheed...a fantastic one on one defender...he just made everything...it was quite obnoxious of him) offensively besides the finals.