Fisher: "Champion Heat by far more stacked than '00-'02 Lakers"

[unbreakable]

What yall think

[Sarcastic]

Derrick Fisher: "Water is wet"

Tell us something we don't know.

[IllegalD]

Source?

[ninephive]

No, the 00-02 Lakers didn't almost get beat by a past-their-prime Spurs team.

[Budadiiii]

No, the 00-02 Lakers didn't almost get beat by a past-their-prime Spurs team.

Stupid post.

Obviously a LeBron led team will underachieve because of lack of a sense of urgency and discipline.

What Fisher says it still 100% fact.

[ninephive]

Stupid post.

Obviously a LeBron led team will underachieve because of lack of a sense of urgency and discipline.

What Fisher says it still 100% fact.

Yah because that's a "fact" that leaves no room for interpretation. 2000-2002 Shaq > 2013 Lebron and 2000-2002 Kobe > 2013 Wade. They both had a great clutch shooter (Horry/Allen) and outside of that the role players were washes if not slightly favoring the Lakers, who breezed through the playoffs. These Heat consistently find themselves on the brink of elimination in a weaker East than the West was then IMO.

[Budadiiii]

Yah because that's a "fact" that leaves no room for interpretation. 2000-2002 Shaq > 2013 Lebron and 2000-2002 Kobe > 2013 Wade. They both had a great clutch shooter (Horry/Allen) and outside of that the role players were washes if not slightly favoring the Lakers, who breezed through the playoffs. These Heat consistently find themselves on the brink of elimination in a weaker East than the West was then IMO.

27 game win streak.

LeBron led teams will always underachieve and be on the brink of elimination because of lack of a sense of urgency and discipline.

[ninephive]

27 game win streak.

LeBron led teams will always underachieve and be on the brink of elimination because of lack of a sense of urgency and discipline.

Ok wow the Spurs had a 20-game win streak that extended 3 rounds into the playoffs and they got beat. What does that prove?

Let's put it this way: the Lakers dropped fewer playoff games in 3 championship runs than the Heat did in 2 AND never had the luxury of playing sub-.500 teams like the Heat get to in the weak East.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Well it's true. They are far more stacked an have alot more depth

Those Laker teams relied solely on Shaq & Kobe for 90% of their production.

At one point in the 01 playoffs Shaq had b2b 40/20 games.

Followed by Kobe having b2b 40/10 games in game 4 of the WCSF & game 1 of the WCF.

THats insane

[Budadiiii]

Ok wow the Spurs had a 20-game win streak that extended 3 rounds into the playoffs and they got beat. What does that prove?

Let's put it this way: the Lakers dropped fewer playoff games in 3 championship runs than the Heat did in 2 AND never had the luxury of playing sub-.500 teams like the Heat get to in the weak East.

You're trying to prove something based on W/L is the playoffs when i'm trying to tell you that of course the Heat are having more trouble winning championships even with a more stacked team overall, mainly because LeBron James is the leader and has shown that he lacks the ability to instill discipline into his teammates.

In essence, you're probably right. LeBron James being on the team automatically disqualifies the Heat from being an all-time stacked team. He's a cancer in his own right.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

If someone interviewed Sam Jones, he would probably say, "Champion Heat by far more stacked than '65-66 Boston Celtics"

If someone interviewed Bill Walton, he would probably say, "Champion Heat by far more stacked than '85-86 Boston Celtics"

If someone interviewed Toni Kukoc, he would probably say, "Champion Heat by far more stacked than '95

[DMAVS41]

Depends on how you define this stuff.

Are we looking at the "help" for Shaq and Lebron?

I'll assume so....

So then we can compare weakest to weakest...strongest to strongest...etc.

The weakest Lebron supporting cast was 13
The weakest Shaq supporting cast was 00

I think Shaq's supporting cast was slightly better here. Mainly because nobody on the Heat was as good as Kobe. The Lakers had solid veteran role players like Rice and Harper and Horry. So I think I'd rather have that...although it's close.

Obviously the 00 Lakers as a whole were better because 00 Shaq was better than 13 Lebron and 00 Kobe was better than 13 Wade. The rest is almost meaningless...and PJ over Spo is an advantage as well.

Then lets go 11 Heat vs 02 Lakers;

I think this is where Lebron's help was better. Wade and Kobe were pretty similar...I think I'd actually favor Wade here because of his huge efficiency advantage of 57% TS to 51% TS. But they didn't have the third guy in Bosh (who was actually playing well in the 11 playoffs). Lakers couldn't match that.

Who wins? Not sure...probably the Lakers because of Shaq's dominance and Lebron's choking. But just evaluating the supporting casts of Lebron and Shaq in 11 and 02...Lebron's was better.

12 Heat vs 01 Lakers

Clear winner to me here is 01 Shaq. Shaq had the best 2nd guy and people here constantly under value just how good Fisher was in the 01 playoffs. Fox was really good as well. The Heat dealt with a Bosh injury for a lot of time as well.

12 Heat vs 01 Lakers who wins? 01 Lakers easily.

[Trollsmasher]

I don't know

On the Heat you have:
LeBron






Wade

and a bunch of roleplayers


On the Lakers you have:
Shaq




Kobe and the other roleplayers

[magnax1]

Probably true this year and in 11. This year they had probably a good 5 or 6 players other than Lebron who could do something positive, and 11 Wade was the second or first best player in the NBA.
The 00 Lakers team had a lot of good pieces too though. The other teams were really just Shaq and Kobe however.

[NumberSix]

Heat's finals comp > Lakers' finals comp.