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    Default Re: For those who have Kobe in their Top 10, who did you leave out?

    jordan should always be #1.

    kareem > magic, bird, wilt, russell, if we can agree on that based on total points, legendary longevity, consistent play, most mvps, and etc.

    that leaves russell for 3rd.

    by acclamation, magic > bird, wilt, hakeem, shaq, kobe, etc. + off-court impact and "saving" the game of basketball. if we can agree on that then he should be 4.

    bird > hakeem, kobe, shaq, duncan, etc, due to his off-court impact and "saving" the game, may have less rings but was a legendary shooter and the standard for the forward position. if we agree on that then he's 5.

    wilt > hakeem, kobe, shaq, duncan, etc, due to his legendary stats and dominance. lacks the rings but scoring 100 points and having 50ppg/25rbg seasons are just ridiculous. it can't be quantified the amount of work that went into that. that makes him 6.

    kobe > shaq, duncan, hakeem, voted as "player of the decade" for the 2000's, easily has the most longevity out of any guard/high-octane perimeter player of his era. won more rings without shaq then shaq won without him, always went completely ballistic against the duncan-lead spurs in every playoff series save for 03'. much more accolades than hakeem. that leaves him 7.

    shaq > duncan, hakeem, more points, legendary dominance for his era, has less rings than duncan and less longevity but the way he was able to almost completely ransack his competition on a consistent basis makes up for it. it's arguable but that makes him 8.

    duncan > hakeem, most blocked shots in nba playoffs history. more rings, more accolades, longevity for a big-man is second only to kareem. had a legendary 03' post-season run, his rookie year put the team on his back and ripped the suns a new one in the post-season having mike breen going into a seizure. kinda close but that puts him 9.

    hakeem. he changed everything. was the teams's primary scorer (most points) defender, (dpoy) and a great passer from the post. could score by facing you up, shoot the jumper, and from the post. attacked bigs from off the dribble like a guard would and had great length and athleticism. what he was asked to do for his team was nearly impossible, and he did it all with a gracious smile. that makes him 10.

    feel free to disagree but you'll find it hard to.

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    Default Re: For those who have Kobe in their Top 10, who did you leave out?

    Quote Originally Posted by PsychoBe
    jordan should always be #1.

    kareem > magic, bird, wilt, russell, if we can agree on that based on total points, legendary longevity, consistent play, most mvps, and etc.

    that leaves russell for 3rd.

    by acclamation, magic > bird, wilt, hakeem, shaq, kobe, etc. + off-court impact and "saving" the game of basketball. if we can agree on that then he should be 4.

    bird > hakeem, kobe, shaq, duncan, etc, due to his off-court impact and "saving" the game, may have less rings but was a legendary shooter and the standard for the forward position. if we agree on that then he's 5.

    wilt > hakeem, kobe, shaq, duncan, etc, due to his legendary stats and dominance. lacks the rings but scoring 100 points and having 50ppg/25rbg seasons are just ridiculous. it can't be quantified the amount of work that went into that. that makes him 6.

    kobe > shaq, duncan, hakeem, voted as "player of the decade" for the 2000's, easily has the most longevity out of any guard/high-octane perimeter player of his era. won more rings without shaq then shaq won without him, always went completely ballistic against the duncan-lead spurs in every playoff series save for 03'. much more accolades than hakeem. that leaves him 7.

    shaq > duncan, hakeem, more points, legendary dominance for his era, has less rings than duncan and less longevity but the way he was able to almost completely ransack his competition on a consistent basis makes up for it. it's arguable but that makes him 8.

    duncan > hakeem, most blocked shots in nba playoffs history. more rings, more accolades, longevity for a big-man is second only to kareem. had a legendary 03' post-season run, his rookie year put the team on his back and ripped the suns a new one in the post-season having mike breen going into a seizure. kinda close but that puts him 9.

    hakeem. he changed everything. was the teams's primary scorer (most points) defender, (dpoy) and a great passer from the post. could score by facing you up, shoot the jumper, and from the post. attacked bigs from off the dribble like a guard would and had great length and athleticism. what he was asked to do for his team was nearly impossible, and he did it all with a gracious smile. that makes him 10.

    feel free to disagree but you'll find it hard to.
    Duncan/Shaq/Kobe series breakdowns:

    99:

    Best Spur: Duncan
    Best Laker: Shaq
    Best player: Duncan

    01:

    Best Spur: Duncan
    Best Laker: Kobe
    Best player: Kobe

    02:

    Best Spur: Duncan
    Best Laker: Kobe
    Best player: Duncan/Kobe tie (Kobe was very clutch but Duncan averaged 29/17/5/4 on better efficiency, he just had the worst team of his career)

    03:

    Best Spur: Duncan
    Best Laker: Shaq
    Best player: Duncan

    04:

    Best Spur: Duncan
    Best Laker: Shaq
    Best player: Shaq

    08:

    Best Spur: Duncan
    Best Laker: Kobe
    Best player: Kobe

    Kobe went ballistic in 01 and 08. He was bad in 99 and mediocre in 03, great in 02 (though I don't know about ballistic), and the same goes for 04.

    I'd like to see a stronger case for Kobe > Duncan. You basically broke it down with a TNT fan poll (which was done right after Kobe won a ring). ESPN viewers recently voted Duncan > Kobe. Doesn't really make it true.

    Not saying you're wrong, I just think more needs to be said.
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    Default Re: For those who have Kobe in their Top 10, who did you leave out?

    Once Lebron wins his 3rd finals MVp, and another regular season MVP. He has a good case for being top 5 all time. 3x finals MVP, 3x NBA Champion, 5x NBA MVP, 1x NBA Scoring Champion, and 3x playoffs scoring champion.

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    Default Re: For those who have Kobe in their Top 10, who did you leave out?

    Hakeem is out of the top 10 lists. Lebron and Kobe are 9th and 10th.

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    Default Re: For those who have Kobe in their Top 10, who did you leave out?

    Jordan
    Kareem
    Duncan
    Kobe
    Shaq
    Bird
    Magic
    Hakeem
    Lebron

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    Default Re: For those who have Kobe in their Top 10, who did you leave out?

    Kobe has never been the top player by impact in the league. He's always been behind Shaq, Duncan, Dirk, Lebron. He got longevity but I don't value longevity that much.

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    Default Re: For those who have Kobe in their Top 10, who did you leave out?

    My Pantheon, as of 2014:

    1. Wilt Chamberlain. The NBA record book should be renamed.
    2. Michael Jordan. The consensus greatest ever.
    3. Bill Russell. The greatest winner.
    4. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. The most durable ever.
    5. Magic Johnson. The greatest teammate.
    6. Larry Bird. The Greatest White Hope.
    7. Julius Erving. The Best open-court player ever.
    8. Jerry West. Most unstoppable jumper
    9. Oscar Robertson. Most fundamentally sound ever.
    10. Hakeem Olajuwon. Inside & outside, the best center ever.


    11. Tim Duncan. Best Power Forward ever.
    12. Shaquille O'Neal. Most Dominant Ever.
    13. Kobe Bryant. Greatest impersonator.
    14. LeBron James. Modern-day Wilt Chamberlain
    15. Moses Malone. Most rugged rebounder ever.
    16. Elgin Baylor. Man of one thousand moves.
    17. John Havlicek. Most inexhaustible ever.
    18. Bob Pettit. Original Fundamental.
    19. Charles Barkley. Greatest Mouth.
    20. Karl Malone. Greatest running bigman ever.
    21. Dirk Nowitzki. Most unstoppable fallaway.
    22. Kevin Garnett. Most versatile bigman ever.
    23. Isiah Thomas. Greatest small man.
    24. Scottie Pippen. Greatest Sidekick.
    25. Rick Barry. Greatest ego.
    26. David Robinson. Greatest specimen.

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    Default Re: For those who have Kobe in their Top 10, who did you leave out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gotterdammerung
    My Pantheon, as of 2014:

    1. Wilt Chamberlain. The NBA record book should be renamed.
    2. Michael Jordan. The consensus greatest ever.
    3. Bill Russell. The greatest winner.
    4. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. The most durable ever.
    5. Magic Johnson. The greatest teammate.
    6. Larry Bird. The Greatest White Hope.
    7. Julius Erving. The Best open-court player ever.
    8. Jerry West. Most unstoppable jumper
    9. Oscar Robertson. Most fundamentally sound ever.
    10. Hakeem Olajuwon. Inside & outside, the best center ever.


    11. Tim Duncan. Best Power Forward ever.
    12. Shaquille O'Neal. Most Dominant Ever.
    13. Kobe Bryant. Greatest impersonator.
    14. LeBron James. Modern-day Wilt Chamberlain
    15. Moses Malone. Most rugged rebounder ever.
    16. Elgin Baylor. Man of one thousand moves.
    17. John Havlicek. Most inexhaustible ever.
    18. Bob Pettit. Original Fundamental.
    19. Charles Barkley. Greatest Mouth.
    20. Karl Malone. Greatest running bigman ever.
    21. Dirk Nowitzki. Most unstoppable fallaway.
    22. Kevin Garnett. Most versatile bigman ever.
    23. Isiah Thomas. Greatest small man.
    24. Scottie Pippen. Greatest Sidekick.
    25. Rick Barry. Greatest ego.
    26. David Robinson. Greatest specimen.
    Julius Erving? Jerry West? Definetely do not belong in the top 10

    Oscar Robertston is slightly arguable but not really anymore...

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    Default Re: For those who have Kobe in their Top 10, who did you leave out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gotterdammerung
    My Pantheon, as of 2014:
    1. Wilt Chamberlain. The NBA record book should be renamed.
    2. Michael Jordan. The consensus greatest ever.
    3. Bill Russell. The greatest winner.
    4. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. The most durable ever.
    5. Magic Johnson. The greatest teammate.
    6. Larry Bird. The Greatest White Hope.
    7. Julius Erving. The Best open-court player ever.
    8. Jerry West. Most unstoppable jumper
    9. Oscar Robertson. Most fundamentally sound ever.
    10. Hakeem Olajuwon. Inside & outside, the best center ever.
    :
    Wow, that's a different top 10 than you usually see on here! Refreshing.

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    Default Re: For those who have Kobe in their Top 10, who did you leave out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kvnzhangyay
    Julius Erving? Jerry West? Definetely do not belong in the top 10

    Oscar Robertston is slightly arguable but not really anymore...
    I'd like to hear your reasons.

    I find it hard to rank guys in the top 10 unless their careers are over, and put in the right context.

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    Default Re: For those who have Kobe in their Top 10, who did you leave out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Marchesk
    Wow, that's a different top 10 than you usually see on here! Refreshing.
    Thanks, I go by my research and personal eyewitness test, as opposed to the consensus or media driven narratives.

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    Default Re: For those who have Kobe in their Top 10, who did you leave out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gotterdammerung
    Thanks, I go by my research and personal eyewitness test, as opposed to the consensus or media driven narratives.


    I also have a very unusual list (well don't really have one, but when I attempt to put one together mine looks very, very different than all others I have seen), so I can appreciate thinking outside the box.

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    Default Re: For those who have Kobe in their Top 10, who did you leave out?

    Based on amount of overall accolades/awards (trophies.... rings, mvps, fmvps, etc.)

    1. Bill Russell
    2. Michael Jordan
    3. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
    4. Magic Johnson
    5. Tim Duncan
    6. Shaquille O'Neal
    7. Larry Bird
    8. LeBron James
    9. Kobe Bryant
    10. Wilt Chamberlain

    Based on amount of overall talent/skill: (productions, domination, stats etc.)

    1. Wilt Chamberlain
    2. Oscar Robertson
    3. Michael Jordan
    4. LeBron James
    5. Shaquille O'Neal
    6. Larry Bird
    7. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
    8. Magic Johnson
    9. Hakeem Olajuwon
    10. Kobe Bryant/Elgin Baylor

    OVERALL:

    1. Michael Jordan
    2. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
    3. Wilt Chamberlain
    4. Magic Johnson
    5. Bill Russell
    6. Shaquille O'Neal
    7. Larry Bird
    8. LeBron James
    9. Kobe Bryant
    10. Tim Duncan/Hakeem Olajuwon
    Last edited by pauk; 12-09-2014 at 01:00 PM.

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    Default Re: For those who have Kobe in their Top 10, who did you leave out?

    Quote Originally Posted by fpliii


    I also have a very unusual list (well don't really have one, but when I attempt to put one together mine looks very, very different than all others I have seen), so I can appreciate thinking outside the box.
    I'd like to see it, preferrably in your own thread.

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    Default Re: For those who have Kobe in their Top 10, who did you leave out?

    Quote Originally Posted by pauk
    Based on amount of overall accolades/awards (trophies.... rings, mvps, fmvps, etc.)

    1. Bill Russell
    2. Michael Jordan
    3. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
    4. Magic Johnson
    5. Tim Duncan
    6. Shaquille O'Neal
    7. Larry Bird
    8. LeBron James
    9. Kobe Bryant
    10. Wilt Chamberlain

    Based on amount of overall talent/skill: (productions, domination, stats etc.)

    1. Wilt Chamberlain
    2. Oscar Robertson
    3. Michael Jordan
    4. LeBron James
    5. Shaquille O'Neal
    6. Larry Bird
    7. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
    8. Magic Johnson
    9. Hakeem Olajuwon
    10. Kobe Bryant/Elgin Baylor

    OVERALL:

    1. Michael Jordan
    2. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
    3. Wilt Chamberlain
    4. Magic Johnson
    5. Bill Russell
    6. Shaquille O'Neal
    7. Larry Bird
    8. LeBron James
    9. Kobe Bryant
    10. Tim Duncan/Hakeem Olajuwon
    You got lebron > Kobe on both list??
    When we speak of skill Kobe > Lebron
    when we speak of rings 5>2
    rings is the biggest accomplishment for players

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