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Old 12-20-2015, 11:10 AM   #1
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Default Jimmy Butler is big headed glorified role player.

Hes called out the team a few times and called out the coach for not coaching enough last night, even though he got treated like a little kid at a playground by melo. This guy was 4-11, 12 points last night and getting lit up on the defensive end and hes suppose to be our leader and best player, melo was 12-20 with 27 points!!!!. keep hoping and believing this guy has some kind of impact, bulls have been mediocre ever since his "emergence". He got a nice contract now he thinks hes a superstar. Hes a ****ing glorified role player!!!!

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Old 12-20-2015, 11:16 AM   #2
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Think you're describing rose post injury.
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Old 12-20-2015, 11:17 AM   #3
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So DMAVS, any update on Rose's PER currently? Last time it was posted at an astounding 9!

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Old 12-20-2015, 11:20 AM   #4
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So DMAVS, any update on Rose's PER currently? Last time it was posted at an astounding 9!


Using PER to gauge all players is stupid.
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Old 12-20-2015, 11:21 AM   #5
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Default Re: Jimmy Butler is big headed glorified role player.

Agreed, OP.

Dude is so disrespectful for calling out Hoiberg like that.

Butler hit Rose in the eye, right? I think that's the story I heard.

He's a glorified role player.
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Old 12-20-2015, 11:22 AM   #6
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Default Re: Jimmy Butler is big headed glorified role player.

Rose had 6 pts on 3-11 shooting, and we all know you still consider him a great player.

Where's the thread on his terrible performance?
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Old 12-20-2015, 11:22 AM   #7
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Default Re: Jimmy Butler is big headed glorified role player.

Nate be quiet bro.


You have some dumb agenda against Jimmy for some reason. Get over it, Rose is not the same guy he was. Yea he'll have his spurts here and there against big time PGs or teams but Jimmy is the best player we have.



And don't bring up last night when trying to defend your case. No other guy in the league could go from playing a 4OT game then playing the entire first quarter the next night. Jimmy is a beast and has the right to speak up when our guys don't bring it or the coach hasn't gotten the most out of our guys.
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Old 12-20-2015, 11:25 AM   #8
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Rose had 6 pts on 3-11 shooting, and we all know you still consider him a great player.

Where's the thread on his terrible performance?

what terrible performance? when rose got taken out and the knicks went on like a 15 + run?

rose was -2
butler was -13
joakim was -15
hinrich was -9
mcdermott was -17
brooks was -4
mirotic was -10
moore was -7
gibson was -4
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Old 12-20-2015, 11:26 AM   #9
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Nate be quiet bro.


You have some dumb agenda against Jimmy for some reason. Get over it, Rose is not the same guy he was. Yea he'll have his spurts here and there against big time PGs or teams but Jimmy is the best player we have.



And don't bring up last night when trying to defend your case. No other guy in the league could go from playing a 4OT game then playing the entire first quarter the next night. Jimmy is a beast and has the right to speak up when our guys don't bring it or the coach hasn't gotten the most out of our guys.

why would you even bring up rose? i made a thread about butler. how have the bulls played the last 3 seasons with butler as a star player and the leader? when will his rating match his impact? fans like you say "hes the best player on the bulls" "hes the face of the franchise" "its his team now". WTF? hes been very terrible in many games this season, and hes most of the time a passive scorer. But his defense! hes always getting lit up on defense!

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Old 12-20-2015, 11:30 AM   #10
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what terrible performance? when rose got taken out and the knicks went on like a 15 + run?

rose was -2
butler was -13
joakim was -15
hinrich was -9
mcdermott was -17
brooks was -4
mirotic was -10
moore was -7
gibson was -4

Using RPM to gauge all players is stupid.

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Old 12-20-2015, 11:33 AM   #11
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Using RPM to gauge all players is stupid.


9 players on the same team plus and minus in 1 game is comparing all players over all PER? try less trolling.
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Old 12-20-2015, 11:52 AM   #12
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9 players on the same team plus and minus in 1 game is comparing all players over all PER? try less trolling.

Individual game plus minus okay, but using it over large samples is stupid?

You want as much data as possible for this stuff.

PER is hardly perfect, but in a case with Rose where he really makes no impact outside of box score stats....it captures his value better than most.

To his credit....Rose is now up to 10 on PER!

Now, the bad stuff for you...as you clearly think on/off matters a lot.

Ugh...

Bulls with Rose on the court? -1.5 points per 100 possessions

Bulls with Rose off the court? +4.9 points per 100 possessions

Ouch...


So what does matter when discussing an individual player? You watch him and think he's good...we watch him so far and think overall he's been dreadful. How do we settle this? We can look to objective measures which all support he's been terrible.

His PER sucks
His VORP sucks
His box score metrics suck
His efficiency sucks
His on/off sucks
His RPM sucks
His defensive metrics suck

Like...at what point and how badly does one have to play in order for you to call a spade a spade? I agree there is much more than just looking at those numbers...and they don't tell you exactly how good a player is, but when everything objective is screaming "this guy sucks right now"...I think that can be used as evidence that, at the very least, he's not a good player. He might not be as bad as those suggest, but to argue he's been a good player, the best player on the Bulls so far like you do, is comical.

And what data can we used to settle this debate that simply isn't the opinions of a fan boy?

The thing is...if Rose started playing great...I'd be able to change my view and say he's started to play great and I'd have no problem doing it. Keep that in mind...I let the evidence dictate my position. You are the exact opposite....you are still arguing for him being the best player on this team and still a good player so far this season. Keep that in mind...you don't let the evidence dictate your position.

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Old 12-20-2015, 11:57 AM   #13
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Default Re: Jimmy Butler is big headed glorified role player.

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Individual game plus minus okay, but using it over large samples is stupid?

You want as much data as possible for this stuff.

PER is hardly perfect, but in a case with Rose where he really makes no impact outside of box score stats....it captures his value better than most.

To his credit....Rose is now up to 10 on PER!

Now, the bad stuff for you...as you clearly think on/off matters a lot.

Ugh...

Bulls with Rose on the court? -1.5 points per 100 possessions

Bulls with Rose off the court? +4.9 points per 100 possessions


Ouch...


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Old 12-20-2015, 12:02 PM   #14
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Default Re: Jimmy Butler is big headed glorified role player.

This is by far the weakest SG era of all time.

Harden Butler and Klay are the top 3 SGs in the league, and they are all nothing special.

After them you only have oldtimers like Wade, Ginobli and Kobe and then nothing.
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Old 12-20-2015, 12:05 PM   #15
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Butler is the best player on the team by FAR.
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