Do you think MJ would've won a championship if

[Mr Exlax]

Pip and Ho Grant were never on his team? Let's say lesser caliber players were subbed in for them. Do you think MJ would've been able to overcome those odds?

[Trollsmasher]

MJ does not even have a winning record without Pip.

No, he would've continued to be a career loser.

[poido123]

Pip and Ho Grant were never on his team? Let's say lesser caliber players were subbed in for them. Do you think MJ would've been able to overcome those odds?

I have no idea.

I would say he could be successful with any other star, but Pippen and Grant really complimented him well.

Without sounding like one of the Jordan stans, Pippen's career development and ability came from under jordan's wing. So it would be fair to say, any player that played with jordan would grow into a winning mentality like Jordan had.

So the answer would be maybe.

[Fresh Kid]

i would say at least 3 rings he would have without them two.

[97 bulls]

Pip and Ho Grant were never on his team? Let's say lesser caliber players were subbed in for them. Do you think MJ would've been able to overcome those odds?

It depends on how much "lesser". He did have Orlando Woolridge and Charles Oakley. And couldn't do much then.

But he definitely couldve won in a different situation

[Mr Exlax]

See the thing about Pip, to me, is that he had potential though. He was a hight draft pick so I mean, he had to have some kind of talent already. I'm not gonna give all the credit to MJ, but I will agree that MJ did play a huge part in his success. Grant, I mean he was already good or solid when they got him. I just like to look at things from a different angle.

[Mr Exlax]

It depends on how much "lesser". He did have Orlando Woolridge and Charles Oakley. And couldn't do much then.

But he definitely couldve won in a different situation

He was a good enough player to win a championship, his team was just losing to a better team. That's what I think about those times before the Bulls started winning.

[fpliii]

Who are you replacing them with in this hypothetical? If they're not of similar quality/fit, probably not very many. If you just take them off the team and replace them with scrub players, probably zero rings.

[fpliii]

It depends on how much "lesser". He did have Orlando Woolridge and Charles Oakley. And couldn't do much then.

But he definitely couldve won in a different situation

He might win once eventually with those guys.

[Mr Exlax]

Who are you replacing them with in this hypothetical? If they're not of similar quality/fit, probably not very many. If you just take them off the team and replace them with scrub players, probably zero rings.

I'll just say any decent role player. Not a scrub, but somebody that could at least be a starter on most teams.

[fpliii]

I'll just say any decent role player. Not a scrub, but somebody that could at least be a starter on most teams.

Give me an example though, say through the first threepeat.

He might actually win during the second threepeat in 96, 97 anyway though since Grant was gone and Scottie wasn't HUGE (they'd also still get Rodman, and Kukoc). Probably not 98.

[Mr Exlax]

Give me an example though, say through the first threepeat.

He might actually win during the second threepeat in 96, 97 anyway though since Grant was gone and Scottie wasn't HUGE (they'd also still get Rodman, and Kukoc). Probably not 98.

Let's say.......Terrance Jones for Grant and Chandler Parsons for Pip. What ya think?

[fpliii]

Let's say.......Terrance Jones for Grant and Chandler Parsons for Pip. What ya think?

Probably no rings during the first threepeat then. I think he wins in 96, 97 anyway though.

[Mr Exlax]

Probably no rings during the first threepeat then. I think he wins in 96, 97 anyway though.

Damn and I thought i was being generous with Chandler Parsons in the mix lol.

[I<3NBA]

Let's say.......Terrance Jones for Grant and Chandler Parsons for Pip. What ya think?

those are terrible replacements, esp Parson for Pippen. are you high?