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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Distance traveled per 48 minutes - Lebron's is a league-bottom 3.0 miles
(Lebron is on 13th page of 14): http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/pla...gular%20Season
Harden is also at a league-bottom 3.0 miles.. Chris Paul's is at 3.1 miles.. Westbrook's is 3.3.. All the heavy ball-dominators are < 3.5 miles.. And they're stats are identical in the playoffs.
Otoh, all the high-assisted, off-ball players are > 3.5 miles.. Korver, Danny Green, Kawhi Leonard, Klay Thompson, Steph Curry - all the off-ball players have over 3.5 miles traveled per 48 minutes, which means off-ball players travel almost 20% further than Lebron every 48 minutes.
So don't be fooled into thinking ball-dominators are expending more energy with their playground style because they're not - they're actually traveling a shorter distance than everyone else, which is remarkable since ball-dominators have the highest time of possession.. The low distance traveled coupled with high time of possessions means that Chris Paul, Lebron, and other ball-dominators spend a lot of time just standing around with the ball.
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Last edited by 3ball; 09-13-2015 at 05:06 PM.
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Embiid > Jokic
Re: Distance traveled per 48 minutes - Lebron's is a league-bottom 3.0 miles
Are you ever going to make a thread that's not about Jordan/LeBron?
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Distance traveled per 48 minutes - Lebron's is a league-bottom 3.0 miles
Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents
Are you ever going to make a thread that's not about Jordan/LeBron?
That is his specialty. 3ball is a scientist. Why would you ask a biochemist to write about astrophysics?
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You are amazing
Re: Distance traveled per 48 minutes - Lebron's is a league-bottom 3.0 miles
3ball's MJ obsession sometimes overshadow his very good thread ideas.
And this is a very good thread idea with perfect execution.
Facts, no biases, just straight up murdering fools.
You should always be like this, friend
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Re: Distance traveled per 48 minutes - Lebron's is a league-bottom 3.0 miles
And he still cramps up
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infamous souvlaki
Re: Distance traveled per 48 minutes - Lebron's is a league-bottom 3.0 miles
had no idea dudes running around screens travelled more distances
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Distance traveled per 48 minutes - Lebron's is a league-bottom 3.0 miles
Originally Posted by SugarHill
had no idea dudes running around screens travelled more distances
Seems counterintuitive, but it actually isn't.
And the fact that ball-dominators travel a shorter distance than everyone else is particularly remarkable since ball-dominators have the highest time of possession.
The low distance traveled along with high time of possession means that Chris Paul, Lebron, and all ball-dominators spend a lot of time just standing around with the ball... which is confirmed pretty clearly by a cursory eye test.
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MH!
Re: Distance traveled per 48 minutes - Lebron's is a league-bottom 3.0 miles
Originally Posted by 3ball
(Lebron is on 13th page of 14): http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/pla...gular%20Season
Harden is also at a league-bottom 3.0 miles.. Chris Paul's is at 3.1 miles.. Westbrook's is 3.3.. All the heavy ball-dominators are < 3.5 miles.. And they're stats are identical in the playoffs.
Otoh, all the high-assisted, off-ball players are > 3.5 miles.. Korver, Danny Green, Kawhi Leonard, Klay Thompson, Steph Curry - all the off-ball players have over 3.5 miles traveled per 48 minutes, which means off-ball players travel almost 20% further than Lebron every 48 minutes.
So don't be fooled into thinking ball-dominators are expending more energy with their playground style because they're not - they're actually traveling a shorter distance than everyone else, which is remarkable since ball-dominators have the highest time of possession.. The low distance traveled coupled with high time of possessions means that Chris Paul, Lebron, and other ball-dominators spend a lot of time just standing around with the ball.
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You're melting down because Curry runs 0.5 miles more per game than LeBron?
Kevin Durant runs pretty much the same as LeBron, BTW. Kobe as well (the sample size is small though).
Originally Posted by 3ball
Seems counterintuitive, but it actually isn't.
And the fact that ball-dominators travel a shorter distance than everyone else is particularly remarkable since ball-dominators have the highest time of possession.
The low distance traveled along with high time of possession means that Chris Paul, Lebron, and all ball-dominators spend a lot of time just standing around with the ball... which is confirmed pretty clearly by a cursory eye test.
You've never watched a game of basketball, have you?
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Distance traveled per 48 minutes - Lebron's is a league-bottom 3.0 miles
Originally Posted by aj1987
You're melting down because Curry runs 0.5 miles more per game than LeBron?
0.5 miles is a ton - it's 20% more than Lebron every game..
And it isn't just Curry - it's ALL off-ball players - Korver, Danny Green, Kawhi, etc.. Off-ball players travel about 20% further in games than ball-dominators like Lebron, Harden, CP3, etc.
So the notion that Lebron expended so much energy "running the show" for Cleveland is proven wrong by the stats... The stats also prove that even though ball-dominators travel the least distances in games, they still have the highest time of possession, which proves they stand around a lot.
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Re: Distance traveled per 48 minutes - Lebron's is a league-bottom 3.0 miles
Its called navigational efficiency, getting the most production with the least amount of steps
LeBron is the most navigational efficient player in the league, no player produces more per step than him.
OP wouldnt understand
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GOAT
Re: Distance traveled per 48 minutes - Lebron's is a league-bottom 3.0 miles
Originally Posted by warriorfan
That is his specialty. 3ball is a scientist. Why would you ask a biochemist to write about astrophysics?
Right? Right?
You don't ask Michelangelo to explain the Theory of Relativity.
You don't ask Bill Gates to paint the Mona Lisa.
You don't ask Stevie Wonder to race in the Daytona 500.
And you don't ask rent freeball to discuss anything other than MJ vs Lebron.
Last edited by sportjames23; 09-13-2015 at 06:42 PM.
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The Future Goat
Re: Distance traveled per 48 minutes - Lebron's is a league-bottom 3.0 miles
Running mile is not that tiring but attacking the basket and getting hit is a lot more tiring. Running more is not guaranteed to create more physical exertion. Their is more than that to the equation. Like jumping, fighting for position, shooting, defending, at asking the basket. All you are saying is that off ball players run more.
Last edited by TripleA; 09-13-2015 at 06:25 PM.
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WIND DEFENDER
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Distance traveled per 48 minutes - Lebron's is a league-bottom 3.0 miles
Originally Posted by TripleA
Their is more than that to the equation. Like jumping, fighting for position, shooting, defending, at asking the basket. All you are saying is that off ball players run more.
kawhi does all that plus he runs an additional half mile a game.
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Last edited by 3ball; 09-13-2015 at 06:31 PM.
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The Future Goat
Re: Distance traveled per 48 minutes - Lebron's is a league-bottom 3.0 miles
Their are so many factors that we can simply say that Lebron does not expend as much energy as off ball players. If isolated every variable except for distance ran and test their energy expenditure than you can that Lebron does not expend energy but you cannot so your analysis is bias. Also Lebron plays much more minutes than those players and is older so those are other variables in this analysis. If you going to look at basketball scientifically you have to take your analysis a step at a time.
Last edited by TripleA; 09-13-2015 at 06:31 PM.
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