It's sad that Hibbert's career night is an off-night for Shaquille.

[Wavves]

This is the most idiotic thread I've seen on here in a while.

And that says a lot.

[ShaqAttack3234]

As a Knicks fan, I'll say that Hibbert was dominant tonight to the point where I was frustrated as hell watching the game. Instead of tearing Roy down by comparing him to a player not a single person ever thought Roy would approach, why not appreciate an excellent performance. Roy ruined my night, so needless to say, he impressed me.

Nobody is comparing or has compared Hibbert to any great center, past or present, much less Shaq. GTFO.

If you want to play that game... Shaq's stats you just posted are a way off-night compared to Wilt's 50 ppg 25 rpg prime.

Agreed with the first part, though the second part is not a good analogy because many consider Shaq and Wilt to have had comparable primes/peaks.

Ive always seen Roy Hibbert as nothing more than Luc Longley. Longley would be an upper echelon center had he played today.

Longley would probably be a solid role player at the center position just like when he played. He wouldn't be one of the better centers. I don't know where you get this shit from. I watched Luc play and he wasn't the scrub some make him out to be, but he simply wasn't good enough to be a top center in any era.

[CavaliersFTW]

This is why April 2013 posters should be summarily banned.

co-signed

[Mrofir]

Makes me shake my head seeing Roy Hibbert's face on all the sports website saying how he carried the team to a win....

His statline tonight is:
24 points, 12 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 blocks, 0 steals, 50%FG

Shaq's season average in his prime was:
29.7 ppg, 13.6 rpg, 3.8apg, 3 bpg, 0.5 spg, 57.4%FG

Shaquille's regular night average is better than Hibbert's career night in all statistical categories....

I am sorry but this is fucking sad, the centers of this age is an embarassment.

totally agree, I also thinking its fvcking sad that everyone's making such a big deal out of norris cole's game 3. Dude had a career night and his line was only 18/2/1. Compare that to MJs prime, where he was averaging 30+/7/7, its just fvcking sad.

[Dro]

totally agree, I also thinking its fvcking sad that everyone's making such a big deal out of norris cole's game 3. Dude had a career night and his line was only 18/2/1. Compare that to MJs prime, where he was averaging 30+/7/7, its just fvcking sad.

[97 bulls]

As a Knicks fan, I'll say that Hibbert was dominant tonight to the point where I was frustrated as hell watching the game. Instead of tearing Roy down by comparing him to a player not a single person ever thought Roy would approach, why not appreciate an excellent performance. Roy ruined my night, so needless to say, he impressed me.



Agreed with the first part, though the second part is not a good analogy because many consider Shaq and Wilt to have had comparable primes/peaks.



Longley would probably be a solid role player at the center position just like when he played. He wouldn't be one of the better centers. I don't know where you get this shit from. I watched Luc play and he wasn't the scrub some make him out to be, but he simply wasn't good enough to be a top center in any era.

In this era? Longley would be on Hibberts level. Especially if his role were bigger. The Pacers depend on Hibbert much more than the Bulls did on Longley. I mean honestly, how many centers today are better than Longley especially when circumstances are taken into account. Meaning roles, competition, teammates etc.

[plowking]

In this era? Longley would be on Hibberts level. Especially if his role were bigger. The Pacers depend on Hibbert much more than the Bulls did on Longley. I mean honestly, how many centers today are better than Longley especially when circumstances are taken into account. Meaning roles, competition, teammates etc.

Idiot.

[1987_Lakers]

In this era? Longley would be on Hibberts level. Especially if his role were bigger. The Pacers depend on Hibbert much more than the Bulls did on Longley. I mean honestly, how many centers today are better than Longley especially when circumstances are taken into account. Meaning roles, competition, teammates etc.

I can't believe you are still this bias after all of these years.

[ShaqAttack3234]

In this era? Longley would be on Hibberts level. Especially if his role were bigger. The Pacers depend on Hibbert much more than the Bulls did on Longley. I mean honestly, how many centers today are better than Longley especially when circumstances are taken into account. Meaning roles, competition, teammates etc.

Centers better than Longley this season? There's the following players who I can't see any argument for Longley over.

Tim Duncan
Marc Gasol
Joakim Noah
Dwight Howard
Brook Lopez
Roy Hibbert
Tyson Chandler
Al Horford
Al Jefferson
Nikola Pekovic
Demarcus Cousins
Omer Asik

Then there's players who aren't really centers, but play at the position for their teams such as KG and Bosh.

Longley may be less effective in this era than he was in his own because there's less traditional back to the basket players for him to use his bulk defending and the game has become smaller and more perimeter-oriented so I could less his mobility becoming more of an issue, particularly combined with the game being less physical which could make him even more foul prone.

[KyleKong]

NumberSix

I second this notion.

[MetsPackers]

Like I just said in the game thread, Hibbert always lets you down just when you think he's about to play up to his potential. He'll have a game (or a few) where he looks like the superstar center that he should be, then follow it up with a game where he gets 7/7 on 45% and fouls out in 29mins. Indiana fans will agree with me I think. Atleast that's what i've seen from him. Even if Hibbert dominates the rest of this series I garuentee he lays an egg against Miami. He just cannot sustain greatness for some reason

[Scholar]

Wow... This thread reeks of epic failure in magnified proportions.

[deja vu]

Prime Longley in today's league would be top 5 center easily. Don't kid yourself. He's not even top 30 in the 90s.

He'll own Dwight easily.

Hibbert is basically a poor man's Longley.

[deja vu]

Centers better than Longley this season? There's the following players who I can't see any argument for Longley over.

Tim Duncan
Marc Gasol
Joakim Noah
Dwight Howard
Brook Lopez
Roy Hibbert
Tyson Chandler
Al Horford
Al Jefferson
Nikola Pekovic
Demarcus Cousins
Omer Asik

Then there's players who aren't really centers, but play at the position for their teams such as KG and Bosh.

Longley may be less effective in this era than he was in his own because there's less traditional back to the basket players for him to use his bulk defending and the game has become smaller and more perimeter-oriented so I could less his mobility becoming more of an issue, particularly combined with the game being less physical which could make him even more foul prone.

Damn...nobody in that list would even crack top 10 in the 90s except for Duncan who isn't a center. I'll take Longley over all these guys save for Duncan and Marc.

[LAZERUSS]

wilt played against skinny short white guys, put shaq in the 60s he would average 80ppg and 50 rpg

How about this? In his last two seasons, and in years in which he seldom even shot the ball, he battled the 6-11 260 lb. Bob Lanier in 11 straight games....

1. 26 pts. 15 rebs. 11-14
2. 31 pts. 31 rebs. 15-22
3. 29 pts. 18 rebs. 13-17
4. 30 pts. 21 rebs. 14-18
5. 28 pts. 14 rebs. 10-13

144 pts. 89 rebs. 63-84

28.8 ppg 17.8 rpg .750 FG%

72-73

1. 22 pts. 19 rebs. 10-12
2. 21 pts. 21 rebs. 9-10
3. 14 pts 9 rebs 7-8
4. 18 pts unknown unknown
5. 22 pts. 14 rebs. 11-15
6. 22 pts. 13 rebs. 9-10

119 pts. in six games
76 rebs in five games
46-55 in five games

19.8 ppg 15.2 rpg .836 FG%


11 games


23.9 ppg

10 games

16.5 rpg

10 games


109-139 .784 FG%


All of the above from a Chamberlain whom was way past his prime, playing on a surgically repaired knee, and not even thinking about leading the league in scoring. Think about that. 24 ppg on .784 shooting!

BTW, Lanier had his highest scoring season in the 71-72, and was already nearing his peak. And while he certainly won his share of battles with Chamberlain in those two years, he was fortunate enough to not have faced a prime scoring Chamberlain. The same Wilt who had an incredible 20 straight games against the 6-11 HOF center, Walt Bellamy, in which he averaged 48.2 ppg over that span (yes... 48.2 ppg over the course of 20 straight games.)