Is Kobe missing the playoffs with no Shaq similar to The Cavs with no Lebron?

[Lakessss]

The lakers were in the finals in 2004 with Shaq and when he leaves them.. suddenly they are out of the playoffs being led by Kobe? That sounds eerily similar to Lebron taking the Cavs to the finals and when he leaves they are the worst team in the east.

Wasn

[Gileraracer]

There where 10 players who left after 2003/04.


This was basically a complete new team.

[kennethgriffen]

kobe and odom missed a ton of games. rudy t quit.. frank hamblin tanked.. kobe brought a worse lineup to the playoffs the next 2 years


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[imdaman99]

Only if the Cavs eventually get back there in a few years. Let's see if they can.

[TheCorporation]

I think we all know why. Unfortunately, ChuckBe just simply was not good enough to carry a team when he lost his #1 option. Missing the playoffs in your prime. That is just. I don't even know what to say about that. How many other top 12 players have done that?

[hiphopanonymous]

No it isn't because Kobe finally won his own pair of rings without Shaq

It would be more like if someone like Kyrie started winning rings without LeBron in Boston. Cementing his value as a great player even when the spotlight started to shine entirely on him kind of thing. And also similar because he wanted that challenge - actually wanted to prove he was best and escape from the shadow of another great player

[kennethgriffen]

No it isn't because Kobe finally won his own pair of rings without Shaq

It would be more like if someone like Kyrie started winning rings without LeBron in Boston. Cementing his value as a great player even when the spotlight started to shine entirely on him kind of thing. And also similar because he wanted that challenge - actually wanted to prove he was best and escape from the shadow of another great player

maybe this is why nearly every kobe hater these days is simons age ... all the older ones killed themselves after 2009 or 2010



sports writers that rip on him don't even care about basketball. football is #1 to them so they weren't really effected

[hiphopanonymous]

maybe this is why nearly every kobe hater these days is simons age ... all the older ones killed themselves after 2009 or 2010



sports writers that rip on him don't even care about basketball. football is #1 to them so they weren't really effected

Kobe's story is literally that of a hero's journey.

Kobe wants to prove himself and makes it clear it's either him or Shaq that's got to go because there was nothing left to prove after their first 3 rings as a duo - and Kobe needed to see where his full potential could take him without the shadow of Shaq and of course they had their beef about work ethic

Kobe missing playoffs is just a trial. Every hero journey has to have an adversity point that propels them to reach their zenith. Kobe isn't a gary stu, he earned everything he got in basketball. That's why generations prior SHOULD learn a thing or two about how great he was. The current generation of participation award receivers has no idea what kind of work ethic Kobe had. Hard work is a skill they lack. Kobe eventually became the best player in the NBA - with no superstar help - that is just completely alien to the current NBA fanbase. Everything these days is about superteaming. Shortcuts and paycuts to get that chip. It diminishes the very concept of a chip. Kobe took no shortcuts he even added the challenge of ousting the other superstar. Carved his name into basketball eternity.

How many of these superteamers will we remember in the future. I know it'll be hard for me to recall all the names that came and went through the revolving door of GS, Heat, etc. But Kobe's name will always stick out as the lone wolf that lead by example of none other than his grit and work ethic.

Hell, I'll remember Kyrie better than I'll remember half of the revolving door superteamers simply because he was one of few who chose the road less traveled and tried to venture out on his own the old school way. Without adversity what's the point of victory.

[Hey Yo]

No it isn't because Kobe finally won his own pair of rings without Shaq

It would be more like if someone like Kyrie started winning rings without LeBron in Boston. Cementing his value as a great player even when the spotlight started to shine entirely on him kind of thing. And also similar because he wanted that challenge - actually wanted to prove he was best and escape from the shadow of another great player

If that were the case, he would have let the New Jersey Nets draft him 8th overall like they wanted to. Instead he didn't want the challenge of making them contenders, he wanted to the easy way by playing for LA, the 2nd most successful NBA franchise of all time.

[Hey Yo]

Kobe's story is literally that of a hero's journey.

[hiphopanonymous]

[hiphopanonymous]

If that were the case, he would have let the New Jersey Nets draft him 8th overall like they wanted to. Instead he didn't want the challenge of making them contenders, he wanted to the easy way by playing for LA, the 2nd most successful NBA franchise of all time.

If you had the choice where would you rather live, New Jersey or LA