Bigger Gap: Magic vs CP3 or Bird vs Dirk

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Saw this topic on another forum and thought it was interesting...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUr8uA1kxMo
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I would say at the peak of their powers, the gap between Dirk and Bird is larger because of Larry's playmaking and defense.

[VIntageNOvel]

the gap between boris diaw and lebron in final

[K Xerxes]

Not really sure we ever saw CP3 at his absolute peak. In 08 and some of 09, he manage to combine his supreme athleticism with a controlled ability to run an offense of scrubs. Easy 20-10 every night. Could have been better had he not suffered injuries.

Anyway, I would say peak wise from what we've seen, you'd have to say:

Bird
Magic
Dirk
CP3

Bigger gap between Bird and Dirk. Peak Bird was out of this world, most complete offensive player I've ever managed to see, and still a very competent defender (using smarts, not athleticism).

[Solefade]

CP3 and Magic? it's like comparing Tony Romo to John Elway


Dirk and Bird is a way closer comparison

[LeGOAT]

Not sure if serious....

[gts]

The gaps are about the same

Huge...

[R.I.P.]

CP3 and Magic? it's like comparing Tony Romo to John Elway


Dirk and Bird is a way closer comparison

This.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Not really sure we ever saw CP3 at his absolute peak. In 08 and some of 09, he manage to combine his supreme athleticism with a controlled ability to run an offense of scrubs. Easy 20-10 every night. Could have been better had he not suffered injuries.

Anyway, I would say peak wise from what we've seen, you'd have to say:

Bird
Magic
Dirk
CP3

Bigger gap between Bird and Dirk. Peak Bird was out of this world, most complete offensive player I've ever managed to see, and still a very competent defender (using smarts, not athleticism).

Agree with everything

[DMAVS41]

Nah...bigger gap between Magic and CP3.

Dirk at his peak is top 15 all time stuff. CP3 doesn't crack top 30 probably.

Even if you have peak Bird as the best player ever...the gap isn't bigger.

[Young X]

CP3 doesn't crack top 30 probably.

Please explain.

[DMAVS41]

Why not?

Why would he?

Never won a MVP. Never made the conference finals. Never won more than 56 games.

I see great numbers, but a lesser overall impact than the numbers would indicate.

Put it this way...you really think Chris Paul deserves to be on the Dirk tier all time?

If not, then how is the gap bigger between Bird and Dirk? The gap between peak Bird and peak Magic is small at best to begin with.

[Young X]

Never won a MVP. Never made the conference finals. Never won more than 56 games.

Teams win games/make conferences finals, not individual players. Look at the horrible support Paul has had in the playoffs, than look at how brutal his teams competition is.

I see great numbers, but a lesser overall impact than the numbers would indicate.

You mean by turning around two of the worst franchises in league history?

A 23/11/5.5/2.8 - 60 TS% player at his peak who has been able to make two dreadful franchises relevant. That's not enough impact?

A player who at his peak almost fairly won MVP over prime Kobe doesn't have a top 30 peak? What?

[Mr. Jabbar]

magic cp3, no doubt

[DMAVS41]

Teams win games/make conferences finals, not individual players. Look at the horrible support Paul has had in the playoffs, than look at how brutal his teams competition is.

You mean by turning around two of the worst franchises in league history?

A 23/11/5.5/2.8 - 60 TS% player at his peak who has been able to make two dreadful franchises relevant. That's not enough impact?

A player who at his peak almost fairly won MVP over prime Kobe doesn't have a top 30 peak? What?

What? You act like I'm saying he's not great. Again...what?

Where do you rank Paul's peak? You need to work through your NBA history if you think Paul is just a no brainer for top 30 all time...LOL

Seriously...just in the league currently who had better peaks than Paul;

Dirk
Lebron
Durant
Kobe
Duncan
KG
Wade

I'm sure I'm forgetting someone...but that is 7 right there currently in the league. Like...if Paul George finishes the year at 24/6/4 59% TS...I'd probably put him even with peak Paul. A lock down best defender at his position in the league with that kind of overall production is definitely in the debate with being as impactful as Paul ever has been.

[pauk]

Magic vs CP3... Magic was just better at everything... which at 6'9" allowed him to essentially dominate any position, especially 6'0" PGs...

Peak Dirk and Bird are a bit closer, even closer if you forget that Bird had vastly superiour passing/vision.