Kobe's NBA Finals Stats

[Round Mound]

Most Overrated Player of All Time.

[Encre92]

Most Overrated Player of All Time.

This.

[stalkerforlife]

Most Overrated Player of All Time.

Who, Barkley? Agreed.

[Round Mound]

40-45% FG Is Not Elite Scoring. Its Elite Shot Jacking.

Great Scorers Score at High FG% Per Amounts Of Field Goal Attempts Taken.

[stalkerforlife]

40-45% FG Is Not Elite Scoring. Its Elite Shot Jacking.

Great Scorers Score at High FG% Per Amounts Of Field Goal Attempts Taken.

Kobe wins basketball games.

[SouBeachTalents]

Kobe wins basketball games.

All by himself? Impressive

[Nowitness]

You could make a solid case that Kobe was the Lakers best player in all four of those series wins, and in fact, was the best player on the floor in '01, '02, and '08.

kobe was theSpurs killer but he was not the best in 02.

01 and 08 for a sure...actually he was far and away the best. kobes clutch-ness in 02 still doesnt top duncan's 30 ppg- 17 rpg- 5 assists and 3 blocks...overall he was more efficient at scoring too.

[dubeta]

Kobe wins basketball games.

So does Norris Cole

[stalkerforlife]

All by himself? Impressive

Kobe and Hakeem have the worst supporting casts in the history of a repeat champion.

[stalkerforlife]

So does Norris Cole

4.3ppg, 1.1rpg, 1.5apg, 42.9 % from the field.

His career playoff numbers.

[dubeta]

Kobe and Hakeem have the worst supporting casts in the history of a repeat champion.

Prime Gasol, Odom, Fisher, Ariza/Artest, and the GOAT coach Phil jackson is basically like the present day Spurs

Kobe was a cog in a masterful offense


So you telling me that even with a bad team Kobe couldnt lead his team in PER, or win shares??

Either you admit Kobe got carreid by a stacked team, or that Kobe was 2nd place in advanced stats to a bunch of scrubs

[Round Mound]

Kobe wins basketball games.

TEAMS Win Games and Championships and Shaq Won 3 For Kobe. Then Ofcourse He Needed a Twin Tower System To Win His Other 2. 2 BIG MEN and The Best Sixth Man in The League In Order To Win.

All Broken Down Stats Suggest Kobe is Around Top 20-25 of All Time...Not Even Close To Top 10.

Barkley On The Other Hand, Is Easily a Top 10-15 Player of All Time

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...48_career.html

NBA & ABA Career Leaders and Records for Win Shares Per 48 Minutes

NBA/ABARank Player WS/48

1. Michael Jordan* .2505
2. David Robinson* .2502
3. Wilt Chamberlain* .2480
4. Chris Paul .2464
5. LeBron James .2431
6. Neil Johnston* .2413
7. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* .2284
8. Magic Johnson* .2249
[COLOR="Blue"]9. Charles Barkley* .2163 [/COLOR]
10. Jerry West* .2134
11. Bob Pettit* .2128
12. Tim Duncan .2109
13. Manu Ginobili .2089
14. John Stockton* .2087
15. Dirk Nowitzki .2082
16. Shaquille O'Neal .2081
17. Oscar Robertson* .2069
18. Karl Malone* .2053
19. Kevin Durant .2053
20. Larry Bird* .2032
21. Yao Ming .2001
22. Ed Macauley* .1964
23. Artis Gilmore* .1931
24. Bill Russell* .1927
25. Julius Erving* .1922
26. Dolph Schayes* .1922
27. Dwyane Wade .1921
28. Adrian Dantley* .1887
29. Sidney Moncrief .1873
30. Kevin Garnett .1849
31. Paul Arizin* .1833
32. Sam Jones* .1824
33. Harry Gallatin* .1824
[COLOR="Orange"]34. Kobe Bryant .1822 [/COLOR]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._career_p.html

NBA & ABA Career Playoff Leaders and Records for Win Shares Per 48 Minutes

NBA/ABARank Player WS/48

1. Michael Jordan* .2553
2. George Mikan* .2541
3. LeBron James .2418
4. Magic Johnson* .2078
5. Jerry West* .2031
6. Wilt Chamberlain* .1998
7. David Robinson* .1992
8. Tim Duncan .1956
9. Dirk Nowitzki .1955
10. Walt Frazier* .1934
[COLOR="Blue"]11. Charles Barkley* .1932 [/COLOR]
12. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* .1929
13. Frank Ramsey* .1902
14. Chris Paul .1893
15. Dolph Schayes* .1890
16. Hakeem Olajuwon* .1887
17. Kevin Durant .1886
18. Dwight Howard .1883
19. Chauncey Billups .1858
20. Shaquille O'Neal .1842
21. Kawhi Leonard .1835
22. Paul Arizin* .1827
23. Reggie Miller* .1799
24. Oscar Robertson* .1783
25. Bill Russell* .1778
26. Roger Brown* .1763
27. Moses Malone* .1762
28. Baron Davis .1762
29. Julius Erving* .1756
30. Bob Lanier* .1755
31. Artis Gilmore* .1744
32. Bill Sharman* .1739
33. George Yardley* .1736
34. Kevin McHale* .1736
35. Larry Bird* .1731
36. Adrian Dantley* .1716
37. Cedric Maxwell .1713
38. Manu Ginobili .1699
39. Don Nelson .1683
40. Cliff Hagan* .1674
41. Jimmy Jones .1667
42. James Harden .1650
43. Ben Wallace .1636
44. Dwyane Wade .1612
45. Dan Issel* .1612
46. Zelmo Beaty .1610
47. John Stockton* .1602
[COLOR="orange"]48. Pau Gasol .1601 [/COLOR]
49. Amar'e Stoudemire .1600
50. Bob Pettit* .1590
51. Vern Mikkelsen* .1588
52. Sam Jones* .1570
[COLOR="Orange"]53. Kobe Bryant .1570 [/COLOR]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...er_career.html

NBA & ABA Career Season Leaders and Records for Player Efficiency Rating

NBA/ABARank Player PER

1. Michael Jordan* 27.91
2. LeBron James 27.79
3. Shaquille O'Neal 26.43
4. David Robinson* 26.18
5. Wilt Chamberlain* 26.13
6. Chris Paul 25.59
7. Bob Pettit* 25.35
8. Dwyane Wade 25.29
9. Neil Johnston* 24.69
[COLOR="Blue"]10. Charles Barkley* 24.63 [/COLOR]
11. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 24.58
12. Tim Duncan 24.56
13. Kevin Durant 24.53
14. Magic Johnson* 24.11
15. Karl Malone* 23.90
16. Hakeem Olajuwon* 23.59
17. Julius Erving* 23.58
18. Larry Bird* 23.50
19. Dirk Nowitzki 23.48
[COLOR="Orange"]20. Kobe Bryant 23.36 [/COLOR]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._career_p.html

NBA & ABA Career Playoff Leaders and Records for Player Efficiency Rating

NBA/ABARank Player PER

1. Michael Jordan* 28.60
2. George Mikan* 28.51
3. LeBron James 27.70
4. Shaquille O'Neal 26.13
5. Hakeem Olajuwon* 25.69
6. Chris Paul 25.04
7. Tim Duncan 24.59
8. Kevin Durant 24.35
[COLOR="Blue"]9. Charles Barkley* 24.18[/COLOR]
10. Dirk Nowitzki 24.17
11. Dwight Howard 23.74
12. Tracy McGrady 23.40
13. Dolph Schayes* 23.29
14. Jerry West* 23.06
15. David Robinson* 23.02
16. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 23.01
17. Magic Johnson* 22.95
18. Russell Westbrook 22.75
19. Wilt Chamberlain* 22.75
20. Dwyane Wade 22.70
21. Bob Pettit* 22.59
22. Amar'e Stoudemire 22.44
[COLOR="Orange"]23. Kobe Bryant 22.40[/COLOR]

http://www.databasebasketball.com/le...?stat=eff&lg=n

Career EFF Leaders

Career EFF Leaders

Player EFF Seasons

1 Wilt Chamberlain 41.50 14
2 Bill Russell 31.71 13
3 Oscar Robertson 31.61 14
4 Bob Pettit 31.11 11
5 Kareem Abdul-jabbar 30.93 20
6 Larry Bird 29.77 13
7 Elgin Baylor 29.74 14
8 Michael Jordan 29.19 15
9 Magic Johnson 29.10 13
[COLOR="Blue"]10 Charles Barkley 28.16 16 [/COLOR]
11 Jerry Lucas 28.13 11
12 LeBron James 28.01 8
13 Hakeem Olajuwon 27.17 18
14 Jerry West 27.10 14
15 David Robinson 26.98 14
16 Karl Malone 26.94 19
17 Walt Bellamy 26.29 14
18 Dave Cowens 26.23 11
19 Shaquille O'neal 26.05 19
20 Kevin Garnett 25.98 16
21 Maurice Stokes 25.75 3
22 Tim Duncan 25.68 14
23 Blake Griffin 25.63 1
24 Bob Lanier 25.29 14
25 Chris Paul 24.93 6
26 Bob McAdoo 24.47 14
27 Dwyane Wade 24.42 8
28 Dirk Nowitzki 24.34 13
29 Dwight Howard 24.24 7
30 Moses Malone 24.14 19
31 Willis Reed 24.06 10
32 Elvin Hayes 24.04 16
33 Rick Barry 23.98 10
34 Nate Thurmond 23.73 14
35 Chris Webber 23.72 15
36 Wes Unseld 23.70 13
37 Billy Cunningham 23.51 9
38 Patrick Ewing 23.41 17
39 Julius Erving 23.35 11
40 Neil Johnston 23.23 8
41 Amare Stoudemire 23.17 9
42 Brad Daugherty 23.10 8
43 Artis Gilmore 22.99 12
[COLOR="orange"]44 Pau Gasol 22.99 10[/COLOR]
45 Kevin Durant 22.83 4
46 Walt Frazier 22.74 13
47 Gus Johnson 22.63 9
48 Adrian Dantley 22.60 15
49 Elton Brand 22.59 12
[COLOR="Orange"]50 Kobe Bryant 22.51 15 [/COLOR]
51 Clyde Drexler 22.42 15

[ImKobe]

TEAMS Win Games and Championships and Shaq Won 3 For Kobe. Then Ofcourse He Needed a Twin Tower System To Win His Other 2. 2 BIG MEN and The Best Sixth Man in The League In Order To Win.

All Broken Down Stats Suggest Kobe is Around Top 20-25 of All Time...Not Even Close To Top 10.

Barkley On The Other Hand, Is Easily a Top 10-15 Player of All Time

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...48_career.html

NBA & ABA Career Leaders and Records for Win Shares Per 48 Minutes

NBA/ABARank Player WS/48

1. Michael Jordan* .2505
2. David Robinson* .2502
3. Wilt Chamberlain* .2480
4. Chris Paul .2464
5. LeBron James .2431
6. Neil Johnston* .2413
7. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* .2284
8. Magic Johnson* .2249
[COLOR="Blue"]9. Charles Barkley* .2163 [/COLOR]
10. Jerry West* .2134
11. Bob Pettit* .2128
12. Tim Duncan .2109
13. Manu Ginobili .2089
14. John Stockton* .2087
15. Dirk Nowitzki .2082
16. Shaquille O'Neal .2081
17. Oscar Robertson* .2069
18. Karl Malone* .2053
19. Kevin Durant .2053
20. Larry Bird* .2032
21. Yao Ming .2001
22. Ed Macauley* .1964
23. Artis Gilmore* .1931
24. Bill Russell* .1927
25. Julius Erving* .1922
26. Dolph Schayes* .1922
27. Dwyane Wade .1921
28. Adrian Dantley* .1887
29. Sidney Moncrief .1873
30. Kevin Garnett .1849
31. Paul Arizin* .1833
32. Sam Jones* .1824
33. Harry Gallatin* .1824
[COLOR="Orange"]34. Kobe Bryant .1822 [/COLOR]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._career_p.html

NBA & ABA Career Playoff Leaders and Records for Win Shares Per 48 Minutes

NBA/ABARank Player WS/48

1. Michael Jordan* .2553
2. George Mikan* .2541
3. LeBron James .2418
4. Magic Johnson* .2078
5. Jerry West* .2031
6. Wilt Chamberlain* .1998
7. David Robinson* .1992
8. Tim Duncan .1956
9. Dirk Nowitzki .1955
10. Walt Frazier* .1934
[COLOR="Blue"]11. Charles Barkley* .1932 [/COLOR]
12. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* .1929
13. Frank Ramsey* .1902
14. Chris Paul .1893
15. Dolph Schayes* .1890
16. Hakeem Olajuwon* .1887
17. Kevin Durant .1886
18. Dwight Howard .1883
19. Chauncey Billups .1858
20. Shaquille O'Neal .1842
21. Kawhi Leonard .1835
22. Paul Arizin* .1827
23. Reggie Miller* .1799
24. Oscar Robertson* .1783
25. Bill Russell* .1778
26. Roger Brown* .1763
27. Moses Malone* .1762
28. Baron Davis .1762
29. Julius Erving* .1756
30. Bob Lanier* .1755
31. Artis Gilmore* .1744
32. Bill Sharman* .1739
33. George Yardley* .1736
34. Kevin McHale* .1736
35. Larry Bird* .1731
36. Adrian Dantley* .1716
37. Cedric Maxwell .1713
38. Manu Ginobili .1699
39. Don Nelson .1683
40. Cliff Hagan* .1674
41. Jimmy Jones .1667
42. James Harden .1650
43. Ben Wallace .1636
44. Dwyane Wade .1612
45. Dan Issel* .1612
46. Zelmo Beaty .1610
47. John Stockton* .1602
[COLOR="orange"]48. Pau Gasol .1601 [/COLOR]
49. Amar'e Stoudemire .1600
50. Bob Pettit* .1590
51. Vern Mikkelsen* .1588
52. Sam Jones* .1570
[COLOR="Orange"]53. Kobe Bryant .1570 [/COLOR]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...er_career.html

NBA & ABA Career Season Leaders and Records for Player Efficiency Rating

NBA/ABARank Player PER

1. Michael Jordan* 27.91
2. LeBron James 27.79
3. Shaquille O'Neal 26.43
4. David Robinson* 26.18
5. Wilt Chamberlain* 26.13
6. Chris Paul 25.59
7. Bob Pettit* 25.35
8. Dwyane Wade 25.29
9. Neil Johnston* 24.69
[COLOR="Blue"]10. Charles Barkley* 24.63 [/COLOR]
11. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 24.58
12. Tim Duncan 24.56
13. Kevin Durant 24.53
14. Magic Johnson* 24.11
15. Karl Malone* 23.90
16. Hakeem Olajuwon* 23.59
17. Julius Erving* 23.58
18. Larry Bird* 23.50
19. Dirk Nowitzki 23.48
[COLOR="Orange"]20. Kobe Bryant 23.36 [/COLOR]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._career_p.html

NBA & ABA Career Playoff Leaders and Records for Player Efficiency Rating

NBA/ABARank Player PER

1. Michael Jordan* 28.60
2. George Mikan* 28.51
3. LeBron James 27.70
4. Shaquille O'Neal 26.13
5. Hakeem Olajuwon* 25.69
6. Chris Paul 25.04
7. Tim Duncan 24.59
8. Kevin Durant 24.35
[COLOR="Blue"]9. Charles Barkley* 24.18[/COLOR]
10. Dirk Nowitzki 24.17
11. Dwight Howard 23.74
12. Tracy McGrady 23.40
13. Dolph Schayes* 23.29
14. Jerry West* 23.06
15. David Robinson* 23.02
16. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 23.01
17. Magic Johnson* 22.95
18. Russell Westbrook 22.75
19. Wilt Chamberlain* 22.75
20. Dwyane Wade 22.70
21. Bob Pettit* 22.59
22. Amar'e Stoudemire 22.44
[COLOR="Orange"]23. Kobe Bryant 22.40[/COLOR]

http://www.databasebasketball.com/le...?stat=eff&lg=n

Career EFF Leaders

Career EFF Leaders

Player EFF Seasons

1 Wilt Chamberlain 41.50 14
2 Bill Russell 31.71 13
3 Oscar Robertson 31.61 14
4 Bob Pettit 31.11 11
5 Kareem Abdul-jabbar 30.93 20
6 Larry Bird 29.77 13
7 Elgin Baylor 29.74 14
8 Michael Jordan 29.19 15
9 Magic Johnson 29.10 13
10 Charles Barkley 28.16 16
11 Jerry Lucas 28.13 11
12 LeBron James 28.01 8
13 Hakeem Olajuwon 27.17 18
14 Jerry West 27.10 14
15 David Robinson 26.98 14
16 Karl Malone 26.94 19
17 Walt Bellamy 26.29 14
18 Dave Cowens 26.23 11
19 Shaquille O'neal 26.05 19
20 Kevin Garnett 25.98 16
21 Maurice Stokes 25.75 3
22 Tim Duncan 25.68 14
23 Blake Griffin 25.63 1
24 Bob Lanier 25.29 14
25 Chris Paul 24.93 6
26 Bob McAdoo 24.47 14
27 Dwyane Wade 24.42 8
28 Dirk Nowitzki 24.34 13
29 Dwight Howard 24.24 7
30 Moses Malone 24.14 19
31 Willis Reed 24.06 10
32 Elvin Hayes 24.04 16
33 Rick Barry 23.98 10
34 Nate Thurmond 23.73 14
35 Chris Webber 23.72 15
36 Wes Unseld 23.70 13
37 Billy Cunningham 23.51 9
38 Patrick Ewing 23.41 17
39 Julius Erving 23.35 11
40 Neil Johnston 23.23 8
41 Amare Stoudemire 23.17 9
42 Brad Daugherty 23.10 8
43 Artis Gilmore 22.99 12
[COLOR="orange"]44 Pau Gasol 22.99 10[/COLOR]
45 Kevin Durant 22.83 4
46 Walt Frazier 22.74 13
47 Gus Johnson 22.63 9
48 Adrian Dantley 22.60 15
49 Elton Brand 22.59 12
[COLOR="Orange"]50 Kobe Bryant 22.51 15 [/COLOR]
51 Clyde Drexler 22.42 15

By pure statistic measures? Sure. Now put in Kobe's accolades and compare them to Barkely or Gasol

[Nowitness]

By pure statistic measures? Sure. Now put in Kobe's accolades and compare them to Barkely or Gasol

kobe: 0 rings as total winshare leader of his team
pau gasol: 2

[Round Mound]

Lets Get Thins Straight 1st.

Kobe is a Good Scorer. NOT A GREAT SCORER.

These Are GREAT SCORERS:

http://hoops-nation.com/community/to...eague-history/

A scoring title in itself isn't that special. Any top 50 scorer given enough shots could score 30+ ppg (ex. Allen Iverson). Likewise a FG% title on its own isn't that impressive either. It's rather easy to shoot a high FG% if the scorer in question takes few shots (ex. late career Wilt Chamberlain or Tyson Chandler). It's clear that there is a trade-off between volume (ppg) and efficiency (FG%). The more shots a player takes the more difficult shots he has to take and his FG% drops. There is only so many uncontested lay-ups, offensive rebounds, fast-break run-outs etc. available in a single game.



The real measure of scoring ability is the combination of high volume and high efficiency. The golden standard for such an achievement would be 30+ ppg and 60+ %eFG (FG% that includes extra value of 3pt shots). Nobody has ever achieved this feat over an entire season but Kareem, Shaq, and Dantley have come very very close.



30+ ppg and 55+ %eFG:



70-71 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (31.7 ppg on 57.7%)

71-72 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (34.8 ppg on 57.4%)

72-73 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (30.2 ppg on 55.4%)

80-81 Adrian Dantley (30.7 ppg on 55.9%)

81-82 Adrian Dantley (30.3 ppg on 57.0%)

82-83 Adrian Dantley (30.7 ppg on 58.0%)

83-84 Adrian Dantley (30.6 ppg on 55.8%)

89-90 Karl Malone (31.0 ppg on 56.7%)

13-14 Kevin Durant (32.0 ppg on 56.0%)



27.5+ ppg and 57.5+ %eFG:



70-71 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (31.7 ppg on 57.7%)

79-80 Adrian Dantley (28.0 ppg on 58.0%)

82-83 Adrian Dantley (30.7 ppg on 58.0%)

87-88 Charles Barkley (28.3 ppg on 60.4%)

90-91 Charles Barkley (27.6 ppg on 58.9%)

93-94 Shaquille O'Neal (29.3 ppg on 59.9%)

95-95 Shaquille O'Neal (29.3 ppg on 58.3%)

97-98 Shaquille O'Neal (28.3 ppg on 58.4%)





25+ ppg and 60+ %eFG:



86-87 Kevin McHale (26.1 ppg on 60.4%)

87-88 Charles Barkley (28.3 ppg on 60.4%)

89-90 Charles Barkley (25.2 ppg on 60.8%)

12-13 Lebron James (26.8 ppg on 60.3%)

13-14 Lebron James (27.1 ppg on 61.0%)



Three seasons that don't make any of the above criteria but deserve a special shutout:



66-67 Wilt Chamberlain (24.1 ppg on 68.3%)

87-88 Larry Bird (29.9 ppg on 55.6%)

89-90 Michael Jordan (33.6 ppg on 54.99%)



Total number of games with 30+ ppg and 60+ %FG (only 100+ games):



1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - 242 (possibly as many as 257)

2. Karl Malone - 192

3. Shaquille O'Neal - 191

4. Wilt Chamberlain - 143 (possibly as many as 197)

5. Michael Jordan - 138

6. Charles Barkley - 132



Karl Malone totally surprised me when I did this research...



It's worth noting that Dantley has just 95 but all of the data prior to the 82-83 season is missing. He's definitely at 100+ and likely as high as 150+.



Lebron James has 96 of these games already and is well on the way to joining the 30+/60+ club.



Hakeem Olajuwon just misses the list at 98 games.



Therefore the top 8 most dominant scorers of all time (no order):



- Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

- Karl Malone

- Shaquille O'Neal

- Wilt Chamberlain

- Michael Jordan

- Charles Barkley

- Adrian Dantley

- Lebron James