Let's get this out the way, Lakers are a better franchise than the Celtics.

[chazzy]

Since when do finals appearances where you didn't win count for anything??? More finals appearances for LA with 1 less title means you guys failed more times on the biggest stage.

That is some faulty logic. We compare individual players who haven't won titles and rank them based on how they perform and and how far they've made it in the playoffs ("he never made it past the first round!" etc), so why not mention it here? For example, the Spurs franchise had a better year than most teams last year because they won a lot of games and made it to the finals. That matters.

[MMM]

lol Boston (and all of New England really) cares more about the Patriots, Bruins and Red Sox than they do the Celtics.

That is a stretch but Boston/New England definitely has a stronger overall fan base compared to LA. Other than the Lakers and sometimes the Dodgers it doesn't seem like So Cal teams get a lot of love. To be fair though if Boston/NE had some of the things that LA has going for it than it would probably be a similar situation.

[moe94]

lakers won 1999-2000 season championship, I index championship by the beginning of season year, not end of season

No one does that. Give it up. Are you really trying to argue the Shaq/Kobe Lakers won in the 90s?

[Black and White]

That is some faulty logic. We compare individual players who haven't won titles and rank them based on how they perform and and how far they've made it in the playoffs ("he never made it past the first round!" etc), so why not mention it here? For example, the Spurs franchise had a better year than most teams last year because they won a lot of games and made it to the finals. That matters.

That's subjective, think about debates that have happened on this board, people bring up Jordan winning 6 titles in 6 finals appearances and they say that LeBrons finals losses count against him. Thats what I was talking about.

[Straight_Ballin]

Kobe fans that insecure that this thread is needed.

[Deuce Bigalow]

I found the amount of playoff wins each franchise has alltime. This is as of June 17, 2010 after the Finals ended.

Tonight’s Game Seven clincher was the Lakers’ 429th franchise win in post-season play, the most in NBA history (Boston is second with 326)

http://mediacentral.nba.com/media/me...meNotes-G7.doc

Since the 2011 Playoffs, the Lakers have 9 playoff wins, Boston 18. Here are the totals as of now.

Playoff wins
Lakers - 438
Celtics - 344

[BlackWhiteGreen]

I found the amount of playoff wins each franchise has alltime. This is as of June 17, 2010 after the Finals ended.

http://mediacentral.nba.com/media/me...meNotes-G7.doc

Since the 2011 Playoffs, the Lakers have 9 playoff wins, Boston 18. Here are the totals as of now.

Playoff wins
Lakers - 438
Celtics - 344

Good find I couldn't find it. Seems strange no one has put playoff records together.

[CelticBaller]

That is some faulty logic. We compare individual players who haven't won titles and rank them based on how they perform and and how far they've made it in the playoffs ("he never made it past the first round!" etc), so why not mention it here? For example, the Spurs franchise had a better year than most teams last year because they won a lot of games and made it to the finals. That matters.

Because no one cares about participation awards.

[CelticBaller]

I found the amount of playoff wins each franchise has alltime. This is as of June 17, 2010 after the Finals ended.

http://mediacentral.nba.com/media/me...meNotes-G7.doc

Since the 2011 Playoffs, the Lakers have 9 playoff wins, Boston 18. Here are the totals as of now.

Playoff wins
Lakers - 438
Celtics - 344

So the Celtics are efficient while the Lakers are dominant?

[chazzy]

Because no one cares about participation awards.

Which franchise had a better year last year, Spurs or Pistons? Neither team won the title

[Champ]

Just to add to the debate -- 86 Celtics > any Laker team.

Also, those claiming the Celtics success during the 60s was due to a weak era need to apply the same logic to the 1980s, when the Lakers benefitted from playing in a much weaker conference than the Celtics.

[Psileas]

The fact that the Celtics contend only with the Lakers instead of (contending with) the Bulls and the Spurs should make you appreciate the greatness of the "original" #6 and Red.

[KyleKong]

Gee that's nice. Good luck rebuilding around a 35 year-old with bad knees making 24 mil per year. I'm sure it will lead the Lakers to getting more championships than that franchise they're so much better than.

[gts]

Not sure how anyone can say either franchise is better than the other.. you could argue one was better over a certain span of time but that's about it...

Two greatest franchises in all of sports possibly

[MMM]

Not sure how anyone can say either franchise is better than the other.. you could argue one was better over a certain span of time but that's about it...

Two greatest franchises in all of sports possibly

Yanks and Habs deserve a mention as well