Was Melo robbed of 2004 ROTY Award?

[ShaqTwizzle]

Not that it really matters much now but I do remember that back then I felt like Melo deserved it more and the media in general was pretty split over him not winning it.

Let us take a look at the stat side.

Melo : 21.0 / 6.1 / 2.8 on .509%TS [COLOR="DarkRed"](36.5-mpg) [/COLOR]
Bron : 20.9 / 5.5 / 5.9 on .488%TS [COLOR="DarkRed"](39.5-mpg) [/COLOR]

Yeah. Close.
Don't think Lebron winning it was wrong but you really couldn't have gone wrong with either one.

Personally I think the obvious choice would have been [COLOR="DarkRed"]CO-ROY[/COLOR] with both of them winning it.

I believe they have given out the award that way before (71, 95, 00) so it makes little sense that they wouldn't have done it for that year when the race was so close.

[Rake2204]

In the 03 offseason the Nuggets signed Andre Miller, Voshon Lenard and Earl Boykins. The Cavs signed Kevin Ollie, Ira Newble and Jelani McCoy.

The Cavs were the exact same team as 02-03 just with LeBron. The Nuggets signed 2 starters and a 6th man, plus Marcus Camby wasn't injured in 03-04.

Attributing the Nuggets improved record to solely Melo is wrong.

True words.

I do believe Carmelo Anthony was the biggest acquisition for that team and most responsible for that next step into the playoffs (after winning just 17 games the year before). But you're absolutely right, that team was just about re-built from the ground up.

In addition to Miller, Lenard, and Boykins (who all performed crucial roles), a healthy Marcus Camby changed that team as well (just 29 limited minute games the year prior).

Moreover, Nene had a year under his belt, Jon Barry's arrival was a tinge underrated, and that was the first year Chris Andersen became a thing (he'd become one of the first D-League call-ups the year prior but didn't really begin to come into his own until 03-04).

Quite honestly, looking at that roster now, it's almost entirely turned over since 2003. Even those new baby blue jerseys helped lend credence to the "rising from the ashes" notion of things out there. But again, yeah, I'm not sure I'd say Carmelo Anthony got robbed, because beyond the statistics, most of us knew exactly what we were seeing with rookie LeBron James at that point. But I definitely think there was a Rookie of the Year debate to be had. People went back and forth with the whole "LeBron or Carmelo?" thing that year.

[gasolina]

Big bran fan here but Melo was robbed of the award. He simply was the better rookie, period point blank. The NBA had put themselves in a corner by hyping up lebron so much that not giving him the award would have cast the NBA in a negative light.

Yeah but they already did it when they gave Amare the ROY over Yao.

Damn just looked up Yao and realized he retired at 30.

[ralph_i_el]

LeBron scored .1 less ppg and had twice as many assists.

[SpaceJam]

Honestly even though like I said before I felt Melo deserved it, if he won it this thread could easily be titled 'Was Bron robbed of 2004 ROTY award?'

It was that close, like a previous poster said, Co-ROTY would have probably been the best way to go

[HurricaneKid]

Its clear no one has any grasp of advanced metrics here.

http://www.gotbuckets.com/statistics/apm/2004-apm/

"but but he avg .1 more ppgz!!!"

[72-10]

2003-04 Cleveland: 35-47, -2.6 ppg
2003-04 Denver: 43-39, +1.1 ppg

2002-03 Cleveland and Denver both went 17-65.

[Dragonyeuw]

Honestly even though like I said before I felt Melo deserved it, if he won it this thread could easily be titled 'Was Bron robbed of 2004 ROTY award?'

It was that close, like a previous poster said, Co-ROTY would have probably been the best way to go

Frankly, if it was Melo and the other player was not Lebron( exact same stats and team situation, but a lesser hyped name)....Melo would have gotten it.

[Dragonyeuw]

LeBron scored .1 less ppg and had twice as many assists.

Lebron played 3 more minutes, shot worse, rebounded less and with Andre Miller running the point, somewhat pointless to bring up assists given the role on their teams and nature of their respective games.

[AintNoSunshine]

The closest he has gotten to winning any award in 13 years of his career was a fkin ROTY.

Let that sink in. I'd be ashamed to mention it if I were a fan of his.

[HurricaneKid]

Lebron played 3 more minutes, shot worse, rebounded less and with Andre Miller running the point, somewhat pointless to bring up assists given the role on their teams and nature of their respective games.

And yet according to RAPM data he was worth about 9 wins and Melo wasn't worth any.

ou guys and your naked PPGz are getting out of hand.

[Prime_Shaq]

It was a close race but LeBron became a much better player

[Dragonyeuw]

And yet according to RAPM data he was worth about 9 wins and Melo wasn't worth any.

ou guys and your naked PPGz are getting out of hand.

2015 RAPM data suggests that currently Kyle Lowry is better than Lebron. Agree?

[24-Inch_Chrome]

2015 RAPM data suggests that currently Kyle Lowry is better than Lebron. Agree?

Absolutely.

[Dragonyeuw]

Absolutely.

Actually following the logic, Kyle is the 3rd best player behind Curry and Westbrook.