PAUK / RIPTHEKIK - Role-switch on the subject of Lebron for a sec:

[daj0264]

He cant, because there is no factual & rational reason to explain WHY he feels the way he does...

Ripthekik: "He is not clutch"
Facts show the complete opposite

Ripthekik: "Lebron teamed up"
Yes... so?

Ripthekik: "So, he couldnt do it alone"
Yea...? Who ever could do it alone?

Ripthekik: "You suck, fakk u"
K....

Ripthekik: "Lebron choked in 2011"
I guess... so?

Ripthekik: "So, Kobe never choked"
Really now? Facts show otherwise....

Ripthekik: "Well, Lebron is 1/3 in Finals"
Yea? Are you telling me it was better for him to lose in the 1st round or not even be in the playoffs so he could instead be 1/1 ?

Its just like this everyday with Rip here... He is just trolling...

seem like good arguments to me...

[ripthekik]

Ripthekik, typically it seems like you think Lebron can do no right, so what are some of the things you marvel at or are most impressed by when you watch Lebron James in action? What are some of the things he does that you just know most players in the league that have come and gone can't seem to duplicate? Is there anything you are particularly impressed by? What are some of his best moments throughout his career?

Actually the one thing I'm most impressed by his game is his combination of speed + strength. His strength allows him to bulldoze past all these guys.. and sometimes I'm just left wondering why they let him to do it so easily. But yes.. he's built like a tank and when he runs full speed into the lane, you can't stop him.

As for his career, I remember the Piston game where he scored 20+ straight?? and the Boston Game. The Piston game is what I would've liked to keep seeing from him, but of course, he disappointed me and joined two other stars.

People misunderstand me really. If Lebron as a best player in the league didn't team up with 2 other stars, I probably would have rooted for him. I would've enjoy him taking down true competition. The reason I dislike him now and disrespect him is because he rob all us fans from seeing all these competition. We're robbed from seeing what he is truly capable of.. we're robbed of great playoff series and games. Now we'll never see what prime Lebron is capable of without being so stacked and playing with 2 all star starters.

Now we just see this stacked team beating other teams with no superstars. Not sure why you guys are happy about this.

[TonyMontana]

People misunderstand me really. If Lebron as a best player in the league didn't team up with 2 other stars, I probably would have rooted for him. I would've enjoy him taking down true competition. The reason I dislike him now and disrespect him is because he rob all us fans from seeing all these competition. We're robbed from seeing what he is truly capable of.. we're robbed of great playoff series and games. Now we'll never see what prime Lebron is capable of without being so stacked and playing with 2 all star starters.

Now we just see this stacked team beating other teams with no superstars. Not sure why you guys are happy about this.

Oh the irony.

A kobe dicksucker complaining that LeBron has help. LeBrons Cavs teams were a joke, when Kobe had casts like that(and Odom was better than anyone LeBron ever had on Cleveland) he couldn't win a single series. LeBron is winning 60+ games and getting to the Finals. When LeBron leaves his old team sets a record for most losses in a row and is the worst team in the league.

Meanwhile Kobe has Shaq in his prime, a top 5 ALL-TIME player and then Gasol-Odom-Bynum the best frontcourt trio since the 80s Celtics. Kobe has LeBron like supporting cast for 3 years and starts crying to get traded.

Kobe has never won a single playoff series in his career as an underdog. He only wins when his team is stacked. Credit the Lakers front office.

[ripthekik]

Oh the irony.

A kobe dicksucker complaining that LeBron has help. LeBrons Cavs teams were a joke, when Kobe had casts like that(and Odom was better than anyone LeBron ever had on Cleveland) he couldn't win a single series. LeBron is winning 60+ games and getting to the Finals. When LeBron leaves his old team sets a record for most losses in a row and is the worst team in the league.

Meanwhile Kobe has Shaq in his prime, a top 5 ALL-TIME player and then Gasol-Odom-Bynum the best frontcourt trio since the 80s Celtics. Kobe has LeBron like supporting cast for 3 years and starts crying to get traded.

Kobe has never won a single playoff series in his career unless his supporting cast is way better than his oppenents.

Someone remind me why this thread is about Kobe again?
Oh right.. I'm just going to ignore this lebron-dick-slurping phaaagot.

[CavaliersFTW]

Actually the one thing I'm most impressed by his game is his combination of speed + strength. His strength allows him to bulldoze past all these guys.. and sometimes I'm just left wondering why they let him to do it so easily. But yes.. he's built like a tank and when he runs full speed into the lane, you can't stop him.

As for his career, I remember the Piston game where he scored 20+ straight?? and the Boston Game. The Piston game is what I would've liked to keep seeing from him, but of course, he disappointed me and joined two other stars.

People misunderstand me really. If Lebron as a best player in the league didn't team up with 2 other stars, I probably would have rooted for him. I would've enjoy him taking down true competition. The reason I dislike him now and disrespect him is because he rob all us fans from seeing all these competition. We're robbed from seeing what he is truly capable of.. we're robbed of great playoff series and games. Now we'll never see what prime Lebron is capable of without being so stacked and playing with 2 all star starters.

Now we just see this stacked team beating other teams with no superstars. Not sure why you guys are happy about this.

somewhat backhanded but i'll take it cause of Pauk's Hakeem comparison

[pauk]

seem like good arguments to me...

A good argument is not something irrational, untruthful and simpleminded... because those get quickly annihiliated by logic, rationality and facts....

Those are good arguments only for a Lebron cynic... they know its not a good argument deep down inside (people cant possibly be that stupid) as they see themselves lose the argument all the time, but they wished it to be no matter the proof they see them being wrong, how else can you hate somebody if you dont have anything to go after at all, you have to make up something.... create a gif/pic of them missing a shot or something, focus on one bad game/series, ignore 99.9% of everything else, use only what suits you, use your imagination....

[TonyMontana]

Someone remind me why this thread is about Kobe again?
Oh right.. I'm just going to ignore this lebron-dick-slurping phaaagot.

Then ignore me . Responding to my posts just shows that you dont have it in you.

Now ignore me so all of ISH can see how inept you are to discuss basketball with me. Do it Zhang.

[ripthekik]

Ripthekik: "He is not clutch"
Facts show the complete opposite

Actually facts do show that he's not clutch. It's just part of his game. He can't have everything. Why don't you accept that and move on.

Ripthekik: "Lebron teamed up"
Yes... so?

Ripthekik: "So, he couldnt do it alone"
Yea...? Who ever could do it alone?

He teamed up with 2 stars despite being the best in the league. Show me any instances where it happened in history, and what would happen if at any year, the best of the nba did the same. It's just not respectable, not matter how you cut it, sorry bro.

Ripthekik: "You suck, fakk u"
K....

k...

Ripthekik: "Lebron choked in 2011"
I guess... so?

Ripthekik: "So, Kobe never choked"
Really now? Facts show otherwise....

When have I said Kobe never choked? And again, he's not part of the discussion. But answering so? for lebron choking in 2011.. it's not just so? It showed the world who he truly is, and it's a blackmark in his career that would not be forgotten.

Ripthekik: "Well, Lebron is 1/3 in Finals"
Yea? Are you telling me it was better for him to lose in the 1st round or not even be in the playoffs so he could instead be 1/1 in Finals ?

Again, context. Him failing and choking so badly in the finals is definitely worst than another guy that's 1/1 in the finals. Yes, in his case, being in the finals after an easy conference, then failing miserably in the finals is bad.

Ripthekik: "Pauk is a ****"

ok...

[VIntageNOvel]

RIP the man

nothing to see here folks,

cav, you should make Pauk-lebron and Kenneth-kobe switch thread instead

[bdreason]

I wasn't a fan of LeBron going to Miami to team up with Wade and Bosh, but the more time that passes, the more I accept it.

I actually don't think this team is going to win many titles. Maybe they win it this year, or lose it this year, and bounce back to win it next year... but this team doesn't have dynasty written on it.

I wouldn't be shocked if the Heat end up only winning one title when all is said and done... depending on how quickly Wade falls from grace.

If the Heat had come out and just steamrolled the league to a 3-peat, I think I would be much more upset about "the decision".

[Trollsmasher]

Actually facts do show that he's not clutch. It's just part of his game. He can't have everything. Why don't you accept that and move on.

LeBron
[CODE]Season MP PTS TRB AST TOV STL BLK eFG% TS% +/-

2004 48 29.0 7.6 3.2 3.8 1.8 1.2 .397 .455 -6.1
2005 48 32.5 6.3 7.4 4.8 1.8 1.5 .429 .510 -3.3
2006 48 46.9 10.5 8.2 2.6 1.8 1.5 .572 .633 +6.1
2007 48 42.4 7.3 7.3 5.8 2.9 0.5 .492 .545 +13.3
2008 48 55.6 9.6 8.3 3.3 2.9 2.2 .525 .606 +31.3
2009 48 55.8 13.4 12.5 4.8 3.5 1.7 .611 .693 +44.5
2010 48 66.1 15.9 8.3 4.1 3.2 3.2 .550 .630 +36.9
2011 48 45.2 11.2 4.9 3.9 1.4 0.7 .474 .608 +16.1
2012 48 40.8 15.4 7.7 3.2 1.8 1.8 .492 .557 +10.9
2013 48 38.8 15.2 14.9 2.7 1.5 0.6 .479 .556 +37.9

Career 48 45.5 10.9 8.2 3.9 2.2 1.5 .506 .584 +18.6[/CODE]

Kobe
[CODE]Season MP PTS TRB AST TOV STL BLK eFG% TS% +/-

1997 48 20.2 7.6 2.5 2.5 1.3 0.0 .389 .405 -1.3
1998 48 30.5 6.0 2.7 2.7 2.2 2.2 .375 .555 +5.5
1999 48 37.0 8.8 4.4 2.2 1.1 2.2 .439 .594 +15.4
2000 48 31.2 9.0 7.8 4.5 0.8 2.5 .413 .589 +20.5
2001 48 55.3 10.6 3.3 4.6 1.0 1.3 .470 .575 +11.3
2002 48 35.3 8.5 5.2 5.2 2.9 1.3 .369 .487 +5.6
2003 48 40.7 9.0 5.9 3.4 1.7 1.4 .432 .520 +14.1
2004 48 46.6 6.0 3.6 3.9 1.7 1.4 .439 .561 +23.8
2005 48 43.4 7.2 4.6 6.2 1.6 1.3 .346 .476 +0.7
2006 48 46.9 5.9 4.2 2.8 1.4 0.8 .390 .505 -3.9
2007 48 47.4 7.3 4.7 3.9 0.4 0.4 .436 .546 -0.6
2008 48 51.9 8.1 6.0 4.2 0.4 0.7 .474 .588 +11.6
2009 48 57.2 8.5 5.8 3.1 1.0 0.0 .513 .605 +34.0
2010 48 51.3 7.3 3.6 3.3 1.8 0.0 .490 .574 +6.9
2011 48 49.8 8.6 7.6 5.5 1.8 0.3 .456 .543 +12.8
2012 48 39.2 8.2 6.3 3.8 1.1 0.8 .405 .492 +20.0
2013 48 52.8 9.9 5.8 3.4 1.4 0.7 .476 .576 +4.1

Career 48 45.0 8.1 5.1 4.0 1.4 0.9 .436 .544 +10.6[/CODE]

Seems clutch enough

[ripthekik]

Seems clutch enough

Where is the clutch part?

I'm just going to leave you and pauk with this.

[Trollsmasher]

Where is the clutch part?

I'm just going to leave you and pauk with this.

Yeah, he sucked in the last 3 seasons (more like 2,5, he finally picked it up after all star break).

But that is still just 3,3% of the clutch time

I would rather have LeBron losing 1 game on the final shot and winning 9 in the previous 4:50 minutes of clutch time, than Kobe winning 4 on the final shot and losing 6 in the previous 4:50

Also

[215Philly]

Yeah, he sucked in the last 3 seasons (more like 2,5, he finally picked it up after all star break).

But that is still just 3,3% of the clutch time

I would rather have LeBron losing 1 game on the final shot and winning 9 in the previous 4:50 minutes of clutch time, than Kobe winning 4 on the final shot and losing 6 in the previous 4:50

Also

Please stop ethering him

[SyRyanYang]

Pauk and Rip both showed up with decent and respectful answers.
OP failed as a troll