Apparently Mo Williams was an elite shooter

[scuzzy]

Who?

[3ball]

Lebron moulded him into a serviceable one

Actually, Mo's stats were better the year before joining Lebron:

Mo Will 08' - 17.2.. 3.5.. 6.3..48.0%
Mo Will 09' - 17.8.. 3.4.. 4.1.. 46.7%


Mo had 2 seasons of 17/3/6 in 07' and 08' before lebron reduced his assists to only 4.1 in 09'.. Lebron's abnormal ball-dominance as a frontcourt player reduces EVERYONE'S assists (not just Mo), so the team ranks low in assists and struggles on the championship level against better-passing teams that massively out-assist the.. 3/9

[Trollsmasher]

so why did he choke so hard in the playoffs?

[3ball]

so why did he choke so hard in the playoffs?

Mo averaged 18 on 37.5% - MJ won with much worse (especially 96-98'):

Pippen

1988 PLAYOFFS:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 10.0 on 46.5%

1989 PLAYOFFS:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 13.1 on 46.2% (9.7 on 40.4% in ecf)

1990 ECF[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] vs[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] DET:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.6 on 42.8% (2 pts, 1-10 in game 7)

1992 ECSF vs NYN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.0 on 40.2%

1994 ECSF vs NYN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 21.7 on 40.5%

1995 ECSF vs ORL:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 19.0 on 40.9%

1996 ECSF vs NYN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 15.6 on 33.0%
1996 FINAL vs SEA:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 15.7 on 34.3%

1997 RD 1 vs WAS:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.7 on 38.3%
1997 ECF[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] vs. MIA:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.8 on 41.7%

1998 ECF[COLOR="White"]S[/COLOR] vs[COLOR="White"]N[/COLOR] IND:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.6 on 39.2%
1998 FINAL vs UTA:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 15.7 on 41.0%

MJ beat a better team than the Magic with a worse cast:

09' Mo Will ECF:[COLOR="White"].ni[/COLOR] 18/3/4.. 50.5 ts.. 102 ORtg.. lost to #4 SRS (2 all-stars)
89' Pippen 1st Rd:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 15/9/4.. 51.0 ts.. 102 ORtg.. beat [COLOR="White"]'o[/COLOR] #1 SRS (3 all-stars*)
89' Pippen ECF:[COLOR="White"]rd.[/COLOR] 10/7/3.. 45.3 ts.... 95 ORtg.. lost to champs

* plus 20/5/5 Ron Harper


^^^ Lebron had the far better cast and team defense but lost to a worse team than MJ defeated in 89'.. and Bron was a big favorite while mj was the underdog..

So Lebron's 09' loss as the favorite was clearly a black mark

SVG said he didn't double Lebron and stayed at home to lock down teammates - this kind of strategy wouldn't work against MJ, which is why he beat a better team (#1 SRS, 4 star Cavs) with a worse cast (Mo > 89' Pip)
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[ImKobe]

so why did he choke so hard in the playoffs?

Game 6, 2009 ECF
17/3/5 6/12 FG 3/4 3PT

Game 6, 2010 ECSF
22/7/4/2 8/18FG 1/4 3PT

How did he choke exactly?

Lebron shot 8/20 and 8/21 (with 9 TO in 2010) in these same games btw

[Manny98]

Game 6, 2009 ECF
17/3/5 6/12 FG 3/4 3PT

Game 6, 2010 ECSF
22/7/4/2 8/18FG 1/4 3PT

How did he choke exactly?

Lebron shot 8/20 and 8/21 (with 9 TO in 2010) in these same games btw

Post Mo Williams stats for the entire series

Df are you cherrypicking one game to try and make out he wasn't dogshit

[madmax]

Ah so LeBron elevated him?

[ImKobe]

Post Mo Williams stats for the entire series

Df are you cherrypicking one game to try and make out he wasn't dogshit

I'm looking at the elimination games, he said Mo choked so he made it sound like he was hot garbage and that's why they lost the series, when in fact it was Lebron who put up a stinker in both elimination games.

Mo averaged 18/4/4 with 37.5%3PT for the Orlando series and 13/4/6 in the Boston one, he played well enough as a 2nd option for them to win, it's just Lebron who came up short in key moments. Mo wasn't even a 2nd option in 2010, Shaq and Jamison got about the same amount of shots.

[warriorfan]

Mo Williams was a really good player. You can spot the incels who don

[Hey Yo]

Actually, Mo's stats were better the year before joining Lebron:

Mo Will 08' - 17.2.. 3.5.. 6.3..48.0%
Mo Will 09' - 17.8.. 3.4.. 4.1.. 46.7%


Mo had 2 seasons of 17/3/6 in 07' and 08' before lebron reduced his assists to only 4.1 in 09'.. Lebron's abnormal ball-dominance as a frontcourt player reduces EVERYONE'S assists (not just Mo), so the team ranks low in assists and struggles on the championship level against better-passing teams that massively out-assist the.. 3/9

Milwaukee failed to win 30 games in either season. They were garbage in 07 and 08 with Williams.

[3ball]

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Post Mo Williams stats for the entire series[/COLOR]

Df are you cherrypicking one game to try and make out he wasn't dogshit

Mo averaged 18 on 37.5% - MJ won with much worse (especially 96-98'):

Pippen

1988 PLAYOFFS:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 10.0 on 46.5%

1989 PLAYOFFS:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 13.1 on 46.2% (9.7 on 40.4% in ecf)

1990 ECF[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] vs[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] DET:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.6 on 42.8% (2 pts, 1-10 in game 7)

1992 ECSF vs NYN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.0 on 40.2%

1994 ECSF vs NYN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 21.7 on 40.5%

1995 ECSF vs ORL:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 19.0 on 40.9%

1996 ECSF vs NYN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 15.6 on 33.0%
1996 FINAL vs SEA:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 15.7 on 34.3%

1997 RD 1 vs WAS:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.7 on 38.3%
1997 ECF[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] vs. MIA:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.8 on 41.7%

1998 ECF[COLOR="White"]S[/COLOR] vs[COLOR="White"]N[/COLOR] IND:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.6 on 39.2%
1998 FINAL vs UTA:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 15.7 on 41.0%

MJ beat a better team than the Magic with a worse cast:

09' Mo Will ECF:[COLOR="White"].ni[/COLOR] 18/3/4.. 50.5 ts.. 102 ORtg.. lost to [COLOR="Red"]#4 SRS[/COLOR] (2 all-stars)
89' Pippen 1st Rd:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 15/9/4.. 51.0 ts.. 102 ORtg.. beat [COLOR="White"]'o[/COLOR] [COLOR="Red"]#1 SRS[/COLOR] (3 all-stars*)
89' Pippen ECF:[COLOR="White"]rd.[/COLOR] 10/7/3.. 45.3 ts.... 95 ORtg.. lost to champs

* plus 20/5/5 Ron Harper


^^^ Lebron had the far better cast and team defense but lost to a worse team than MJ defeated in 89'.. and Bron was a big favorite/1 seed while mj was the underdog/6 seed..

So Lebron's 09' loss as the favorite was clearly a black mark

SVG said he didn't double Lebron and stayed at home to lock down teammates - this kind of strategy wouldn't work against MJ, which is why he beat a better team (#1 SRS, 4-star Cavs) with a worse cast (Mo > 89' Pip)

[3ball]

[COLOR="Blue"]Milwaukee failed to win 30 [/COLOR]games in either season. They were garbage in 07 and 08 with Williams.

They didn't have a 2-time all-star center in place already winning 20

[Hey Yo]

They didn't have a 2-time all-star center in place already winning 20

That one all-star that couldn't lead his team to more than 17 wins in the 2003 season??

[bigkingsfan]

Orlando Wooldridge 23 ppg, 61% TS, 19.5 PER. Better than all the listed players.

[theballerFKA Ace]

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